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klg
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response 73 of 78:
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Jul 14 18:27 UTC 2003 |
re: "#30 (rcurl): The freedom *from* public prayer is the ACLU's
business, not what people do in private."
Which explains why legislative proceedings, for example, are never
initiated by prayer.
re: "#40 (rcurl): Re #31: there is zero evidence for gods ."
Quite to the contrary, Mr. rcurl. There are mountains of evidence.
However, you have chosen not to recognize nor believe it.
re: "#47 (twenex): Conservatives, on the other hand, refuse to take
into
account the moral dilemma of a woman who has been raped, or is in danger
of
dying if a baby is born, preferring to take their "moral" standards from
a
book and teachings written/deriving from 2000 years ago ."
Mr. twenex- You need to obtain some accurate information regarding
conservatives --- or cease your use of overly broad generalizations.
Regards,
klg
re: "#55 (rcurl): An example, please, of liberals "persecuting" those
with religious beliefs? Liberals *created* freedom of religions for the
religious, and defend it for them too."
Mr. rcurl probably wouldn't recognize a true "liberal" if he tripped
over one on the street.
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pvn
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response 74 of 78:
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Aug 17 06:13 UTC 2003 |
First of all, there is no "freedom from religion", the establishment
clause merely attempts to prevent a state mandated religion.
Secondly, re god, the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
There is a simple litmus test for determing a liberal from a
conservative. A liberal religiously believes children as they are
socially promoted through the sans religion school system will naturally
(nature -v- nurture) develop a keen moral sense and adhere to an inate
social compact. A conservative is somewhat skeptical of that view.
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i
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response 75 of 78:
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Aug 17 07:21 UTC 2003 |
That's a pretty dim grade of liberal that you're testing for, pvn. How
about the "America could *never* have had a Civil War 'cause everyone had
a gun back then" conservative test?
(BTW, what do you think of those slightly-draconian reform schools that
they've been shutting down lately in Mexico/Central America?)
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pvn
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response 76 of 78:
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Aug 17 09:56 UTC 2003 |
Most everybody *did* "have a gun" back then so what is the point?
And I don't have a clue of what you are refering to about draconians in
south america. Other than the exchange rate of the US dollar if I am
planning a visit I personally don't give a shit.
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scott
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response 77 of 78:
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Aug 17 12:45 UTC 2003 |
Ignorance must be bliss, then.
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rcurl
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response 78 of 78:
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Aug 17 18:29 UTC 2003 |
Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence. It is just not proof of it. In
this case, it is strong evidence, as so many millions of people have been
assiduously seeking evidence for millenia - with zero confirmable postive
results.
Ethics are human contrived ideas, with or without religion. The only
thing religion adds is hypothetical rewards and punishments for those
that cannot see the societal value of ethics by themselves.
Children get their ethics primarily from their parents. This does not
require religion. Schools should both exhibit and require ethical behavior,
but this also does not require religion.
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