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teflon
response 70 of 98: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 02:20 UTC 1998

Yeah?  How's that?  Also, I found a really great website for any who happen
to be interested in Prog Rock.  I don't have the address on me right now, but
I'll post it shortly...
teflon
response 71 of 98: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 03:32 UTC 1998

The address is as follows: http://prog.ari.net/prog/GEPR/gepr.html
It is the "Gibralter Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock," and it has reveiws
of bands w/some history, subcatagory listings & definitions, etc...
tpryan
response 72 of 98: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 22:04 UTC 1998

re 69:  That also reminds me of Susan Urban's Gulf War song:
"Only 100 died".
orinoco
response 73 of 98: Mark Unseen   Feb 22 03:00 UTC 1998

Interesting.  Have to check that one out sometime.
mziemba
response 74 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 00:23 UTC 1998

I'm thinking that Tori Amos is basically "progressive rock", when you get down
to it.  Discuss...
anderyn
response 75 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 02:00 UTC 1998

Why do you say that? I'm curious, now!
orinoco
response 76 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 15:08 UTC 1998

Hmm...
I guess it depends on what you mean by 'progressive rock'. By the definition
I seem to remember posting a while back, something about 'trying to do
something artistic and original with rock music', I guess some of her music
would qualify. 
But now I'm rethinking that definition. I mean, does that make the White
Album, or even Pet Sounds, examples of prog rock? Jimi Hendrix? Miles Davis?
Elvis? 
"Hmm" indeed....
mziemba
response 77 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jul 3 12:24 UTC 1998

"Generally, 'progressive' denotes a form of rock music in which electric
instruments and rock-band formats are integrated with European classical
motifs and orchestrations, typically forming extended, intricate,
multisectional suites....accenting a daunting instrumental virtuosity and
grandiosity over directness....sometimes also known as 'art rock'."  
                     -- _The Rolling Stone Ency. of Rock and Roll_ (1983)
                        ed. John Pareles and Patricia Romanowski
cloud
response 78 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 04:13 UTC 1998

Hey folks, I just got ahold of a new album by a group called _Gentle Giant_,
who, as I understand it, were in many ways the quintesence of 70's Prog.  The
album of which I am now a proud possessor is "Octopus" perhaps named so
because it contains but eight tracks?  I've only had the chance to listen to
it once, so I haven't fully formulated my oppion on them yet.  I bought it
on the recomendations of the good folks at the GEPR, which I mentioned
earlier.  What I can tell you of them; they use extreemly complex harmonies,
many of which sound impossible to do out of a studio (although, as I
understand it, they did do it live), a variaty if instuments, including a
Moog, what ever that is, and any number of Midiaeval instruments.  In fact,
that seems to be their main bent; towards fusing Rock and Midiaeval music.
Some of their songs are positively odd, like their first song, "The Advent
of Panurge"--can anybody tell me what they are reffering to?.  They remind
me, as most good prog I've heard does, of most other 70's prog bands I've
heard, most notably Early King Crimson and Genesis.
        Speaking of Genesis, I'm ashamed to note that I failed to mention that
I've got two of their early albums also; _Selling England By the Pound_, and
_The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_, both released in the early seventies.  They
really only became mainstream after Peter Gabriel left them and Phil Collins
took the lead.  That stuff isn't bad, but the earlier albums are terrific,
and yes folks, _very_ progressive (would that mean that the turn towards
commersiallism makes them Regressive?).  _Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ is a
fine example of their earlier work; it is a double album, with a full story
upon which the music is based in the liner notes.  In short, a concept album,
which is very prog indeed.



Y'know, one of my friends, while getting a ride (and thus a dose of my music)
in my car asked me if I listened to any normal music at all.  It was a
strange, yet proud feeling to realize that the answer to his question was
"no."
cyklone
response 79 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 05:39 UTC 1998

Gentle Giant! I used to listen to them many years ago. Try to get a copy
of "Free Hand." They do weird vocal tricks like trying to sing falsetto as
low as possible. BTW, the Moog was one of the first commercially available
synthesizers used by rock keyboardists.

cloud
response 80 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 17:06 UTC 1998

Thanks.  I'll look for that.  I've also been looking for a copy of "In a Glass
House," which is apparently out of print.  I know one place where I can get
a used vinal for $25, but I think I'll just wait for Polygram's re-release
in 1999 (not to far away now).

Somebody asked a while back about new prog. bands.  I actually know of one,
a group called "Porcupine Tree,"  which is mostly led be Steve Wilson, an
English chap.  I've got two of their albums, and they are very good.  What
do they sound like?  Well, I've heard critic-like folks call them the new
torch-holders for Pink Floyd, but I think that might be a little mis-leading,
as their albums are mostly instrumental, with the occational vocal.  They are
heavelly electronic, and are the kind of thing you might expect to hear on
"Hearts in Space," if it weren't for the fact that they have a very rock edge.

lumen
response 81 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 28 14:18 UTC 1998

Oooh.  A likely candidate for the "Hearts in Space" show?  Sounds like I
should check 'em out.
cloud
response 82 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 01:12 UTC 1998

You'll probably have to special order or something of that nature if you want
it... They're (yet another) obscure English band.
orinoco
response 83 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 05:18 UTC 1998

Re 'panurge': (or, the Greek Geek sounds off)
Okay, I know some early Christian 'heretics' said the world had been created,
not by God, but by a false creator named 'demiurge'. The 'urge' in that name
comes from the Greek 'ourgos', which I seem to remember means 'creator'.
("Demiourgos" is Grek means 'craftsman', I know that much for sure)
So, I'm guessing that 'panurge' means 'creator-of=-everything'.

And meanwhile, it sounds like I need to hear these guys. 
cloud
response 84 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 16:42 UTC 1998

Yah, I'll make you a tape or something.  Could you come up with anything for
"Pantagruel"?  He's the other charector in that song.  As I understand it,
they are both giants... probably refering back to the bands name?
mcnally
response 85 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 07:30 UTC 1998

  cf.  "Gargantua and Pantagruel" (Rabelais)
krj
response 86 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 01:10 UTC 1998

Gentle Giant's FREE HAND was a favorite LP of mine back when I had 
some inclinations towards "progressive rock," 25 years ago or so.
Hmm, I wonder where that LP is.
orinoco
response 87 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 04:32 UTC 1998

The Readers' Encyclopedia sez:

Pantagruel: ...The name, meaning "all-thirsty," had originally been given to
a little sea devil in the 15th-century mystery plays who threw salt into the
mouths of drunks to stimulate their thirst...

Panurge (Gr. "all-doer"). In Rabelais' _Gargantua and Pantagruel_, the
high-spirited rogue who becomes Pantagruel's companion.

cloud
response 88 of 98: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 17:08 UTC 1998

Yup that's definately what they are refering to, Dan, thank you.
orinoco
response 89 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jan 2 04:32 UTC 1999

That's some literate lyrics you've got there, boy :) I'l definitely need to
give 'em a listen sometime.
cloud
response 90 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 16:11 UTC 1999

Well, my good chap, I'll be able to get you a tape of the album soon.  As for
the lyrics, I suggest that you look 'em up at www.blazemonger.com/GG/, the
official web site.  The lyrics of "Knots" are particularly interesting.
mziemba
response 91 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 13:41 UTC 1999

You guys are really breaking a sweat over here on this conference!  Bravo!
 
Who was in Gentle Giant, btw?  I would assume some of those folks moved on
to other things.

Thanks for all the definitions, Dan!
krj
response 92 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 18:45 UTC 1999

Derek (mumble mumble) from Gentle Giant moved on to become a record 
industry executive.  Can't remember the guy's last name.  
cloud
response 93 of 98: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 04:06 UTC 1999

Shulman.  His brother, Ray was also in the band, and another brother Phil,
was for a while before a big break-up.  Before that they were members of a
pop/r&b band called "Simon Dupree and the Big Sound".  

Other band members of note;  Gary Green, guitrars (any instrumentals I list
are only one of many... These guys were multi-talented), Kerry Minear, a
classically trained composer; did keyboards and vocals (he split the vocals
with Derick), and John Weathers, drums.  This was the classic lineup,
(Shulman, Shulman, Green, Minear, and Weathers) and the best, 'though they
did have a couple other drummers before Weathers.

In other prog-related news, Fish is planning a tour in the USA this summer,
durring August and September.  I fully inteand to go to at least one show.
His newest album, _Raingods With Zippos_ will be realeased in the the USA on
april 20.  Both Fish and GG have excelent websites (The official GG one is
maintained by a big fan) and I highly recomend them.  They are packed with
all sorts of interesting information.
cloud
response 94 of 98: Mark Unseen   May 31 22:56 UTC 1999

update:
Fish comes to Pontiac, MI, on July 28, and his newest album is well worth
listening to, if only for "Plague of Ghosts", a six-part suite which takes
up the whole second half of the album.

I also just got done reading a book on prog. rock, called "Rocking the
Classics, English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture",  by Edward Macan.
It's the most comprehensive history, definition, etc, of the subject I've come
accross. The section in which he systematically dismantles most of the major
critics complaints about the genre is particularly interesting.

Question, besides Ozrics Tenticals, which was mentioned some time back, does
anybody know of any contemporary prog. bands.  I know of a few: Spock's Beard,
Djam Karat, Hermetic Science, and Edhals, from France.  Of these, bands, I've
only heard anything by Hermetic Science, which is interesting because it
features a mallet artist.
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