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richard
response 7 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 18:23 UTC 2003

query-- if one or any of the three board members whose second term is up
after next year wish to stay on beyond then, could they resign their seat
now and run for one of the open seats instead.  Technically if they
resign, their second consecutive term was never completed, so they
wouldn't be ineligible to immediately run again would they?   Lets say for
instance that Aruba wants to stay on as treasurer past next year when his
second consecutive term expires.  What if he resigns now, a month before
the election.  His seat becomes open, and there are elections for five
seats instead of four.  Then Aruba, since he hasn't completed two
consecutive terms, would be eligible to run right away for one of the open
seats right?  

This is a way to avoid having to figure out what to do with the
treasurer's job after next year.  Let Aruba resign now, he can let
somebody hold the books until the end of the year, and then he runs  for
an open seat, gets elected, and becomes treasurer again in January and
thus nobody else has to take over as full time treasurer any time soon.
'.
jp2
response 8 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 18:32 UTC 2003

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richard
response 9 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 18:41 UTC 2003

The bylaws state--

Article 4

  b.  Upon serving two consecutive terms on the BOD, a person must
       vacate the BOD for one year before being eligible to serve
       again. 

A board member must vacate the board for one year after SERVING two
consecutive terms.  It doesn't say that a board member having been elected
two consecutive times, can't resign before his second term is up, and then
run for election again.


gelinas
response 10 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 18:42 UTC 2003

(There are easier ways to handle that particular situation, if we wanted to.
For example, the Treasurer could appoint Mark bookkeeper.)
jep
response 11 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 20:16 UTC 2003

If anyone tries to make an end-around to evade the by-laws on the 
theory that he's unreplaceable, I'll vote against him.  Even Mark is 
going to want to take a break some day.  Grex can find someone else to 
take his place if it has to.
other
response 12 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 20:29 UTC 2003

I would think that an appropriate interpretation of the by-laws as 
written would preclude the scenario richard proffers above.

Perhaps a by-law amendment for clarification is in order, along the lines 
of [auggested alternate wording]:

Article 4

  b.  A person shall be considered ineligible for election to the Board 
of Directors if, in the two most recent prior elections in which that 
person was eligible, that person was elected to the Board of Directors.


This wording would unambiguously prevent any person from being elected to 
more than two consecutive terms on the board, without regard to the 
duration of their terms or any potential future changes in the duration 
of the term of a director.

Thoughts?
gull
response 13 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 20:31 UTC 2003

The experiences of other organizations I've been in have led me to believe
that having the same person serve as treasurer for too long can cause
problems.  Unless you have someone else reviewing the books any errors or
quirks in their accounting method can snowball and result in a big mess
eventually.

I have the utmost confidence in our current treasurer, but relying too
heavily on any one person is a recipie for disaster.
other
response 14 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 20:37 UTC 2003

I agree wholeheartedly with the last sentence in resp:13 above. 

Also, Mark deserves a break if he wants it, but if he'd be willing to 
provide guidance and consultation to whomever succeeds him, I'm sure it 
would be greatly appreciated by us all.
cmcgee
response 15 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 20:49 UTC 2003

We've survived without Mark in the past.  We should practice surviving again
next year.
remmers
response 16 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 22:37 UTC 2003

Next year, Mark will still be on the board.

Could we keep this item focused on board nominations, please?
Folks who want to discuss other issues can enter new items.
slynne
response 17 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 22:55 UTC 2003

I nominate remmers.
aruba
response 18 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 00:22 UTC 2003

I'm not interested in pursuing the plan richard sugests, though I appreciate
the nice things people said about me.

I'd like to nominate Jan Wolter.
cross
response 19 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 00:25 UTC 2003

I nominate jp2.  Or second him.  Or whatever.
jp2
response 20 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 00:57 UTC 2003

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remmers
response 21 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 16 16:48 UTC 2003

The score thus far:

  Nominated:  cmcgee, jp2, kip, glenda, mary, tod, remmers, janc
  Accepted:   jp2
  Declined:   (none)

Suggestion:  If you nominate someone and you're not sure if they
read this conference, it might be a good idea to tell them that
you did so.

Nominations close on November 15.  A nominee should become eligible
(by being a member), and accept the nomination in this item, before
December 1 to appear on the ballot.
asddsa
response 22 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 16 23:00 UTC 2003

I nominate Kevin Albaugh.
asddsa
response 23 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 16 23:01 UTC 2003

I support tod
richard
response 24 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 06:09 UTC 2003

I nominate Bhelliom and KRJ.  bhelliom because she is a good member and
from what I read of the minutes, it seems like she attends most of the
meetings.  Besides she's mooncat's roomie, and with both of them on the
board, you figure they can remind each other to go.  And krj. because well
I have often heard him talk of how good the sandwiches at Zingerman's are,
so I figure he'd probably like the excuse to go to Zing's more often  :)
dah
response 25 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 11:30 UTC 2003

I support jp2 and will vote for him if he buys me a membership.
mary
response 26 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 11:56 UTC 2003

I'll run for another term.  Thanks, Joe.

Would either polygon or slynne consider serving on
the board?  
slynne
response 27 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 12:49 UTC 2003

I dont know. I would like to do my part to help grex but I *hate* 
meetings. I will think about it. I'll send in some money for a 
membership anyways I guess, just in case. 
jp2
response 28 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 12:53 UTC 2003

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flem
response 29 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 15:49 UTC 2003

Hehe, I hate meetings too, slynne.  Grex's meetings aren't usually *too*
awful, as these things go.  Being at Zingerman's helps.  :)
mooncat
response 30 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 16:36 UTC 2003

I think it would be great if Slynne were willing to run. :)
remmers
response 31 of 225: Mark Unseen   Oct 17 17:33 UTC 2003

Hey, maybe we should play that up as an incentive to running for the
Board -- great food at meetings!  (You have to pay for it yourself,
of course.)
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