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aquarum
response 7 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 08:19 UTC 2001

I'm going to tackle your ecclesiastic Jeffersonian.  The concept intrigues
me.  Just give me a bit.
remmers
response 8 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 13:49 UTC 2001

Yeah, "ecclesiastic Jeffersonian" has been bugging me for a
day now.  I tried to tackle it, but nothing came of it.  Poet's
block, I guess.
arianna
response 9 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 15:55 UTC 2001

I've always thought of the drift in this cf as an idle hum between the
revving of poetry.  For a few months, there, it was more like, the engine
stalled out, so I'm glad to hear the humming again. (: 

orinoco
response 10 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 18:45 UTC 2001

Hm.

I guess I make a lot of responses about wordsmithing because it's the only
sort of response I feel like I can _make_ in this conference -- a lot of the
poems we get are on personal enough subject matter that critiquing the
subjects of poems would make me cringe.  And I got tired of posting "mm.
nice." in every item, so I try to find _something_ to say if I'm gonna
respond.

One thing cloud used to do, when he showed up in this conference from time
to time, was say "okay, here's what I think this means -- is that what you
think it means?"  That was sort of nice, and now that I think of it, it's the
sort of criticism that I'd find very useful, 'cause I often find myself
meaning something I didn't intend to.

I dunno.  What sort of criticism would you like to see?
arianna
response 11 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 21:09 UTC 2001

yeah, he did that to one of my poems back there somewhere -- it was
interesting, because it helped me understand how he as the reader saw my
poem's topical orientation, it helped me see how I brought my messages and
images across.

when someone write something in the vein of personal tragedy (I can recall
a poem or two about physical abuse, for example), it *is* difficult to make
comment.  One doesn't want to "hurt" the poet with words, seeing as how that
poem is evidence of present hurt.  FYI, when reading any of my poetry, and
I mean ANY of it, if anyone in the cf has something they'd like to remark on,
whether it be about the poem's assembly, topic matter, whatever -- remark as
yuou will, in as constructive/informative a manner as you can manage.
lumen
response 12 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 02:39 UTC 2001

resp:6 Remmers also writes in a lot of rhyme and meter, which I have 
come to disdain somewhat because of a lot of bad poets who think poetry 
must rhyme, and have a strict meter.  He somehow pulls it off, however, 
and so I am pleasantly surprised instead at what *can* be accomplished 
with those tools.
flem
response 13 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 19:18 UTC 2001

I had a moderately lengthy rant half-written in response to #12, but I got
disconnected and lost it.  Suffice it to say that there are just as many bad
poets who write free verse as who write rhyme and meter.  
orinoco
response 14 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 20:53 UTC 2001

But there are fewer good living poets who use the old forms.  (Not surprising
-- there are also fewer good living musicians who could write a fugue to save
their life, and there are plenty of _fantastic_ musicians these days.)
brighn
response 15 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 22:04 UTC 2001

#12, #13:
I posted this a long time ago, but it deserves to be reincarnated:

Miss Leann Rimes
You sure should meet her
For Leann rhymes
And uses meter
orinoco
response 16 of 16: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 00:34 UTC 2001

<throws rotten fruit while applauding wildly>

("yeah, it got sort of a mixed reception...")
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