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Grex > Coop > #232: Taking root access from non participatants | |
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mcnally
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response 69 of 126:
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Jul 11 04:42 UTC 2008 |
#68 could be read to imply that I was a grex founder. I was active on
the system fairly early in its history, but I was not one of the founding
group.
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cross
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response 70 of 126:
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Jul 11 05:20 UTC 2008 |
You know, I've had my fair share of *technical* disagreements with
Steve, and I've questioned and, I think, been questioned on *technical*
grounds with him, but honestly, I've never had anything personal against
the guy (or against Glenda) or, for that matter, anyone else on staff
(yes yes, I realize some would disagree with that; all I can say is that
you probably misinterpreted my comments about something or another).
Anyway, the point is, some of this is veering away from legitimate
questioning of the status of the system and moving toward just bashing
on the guy, which isn't productive. From my perspective, Steve seems
like a really nice guy who I'd enjoy sitting down and having a technical
conversation with. He seems like a devoted family man, and I have a lot
of respect for that (same goes for Glenda, though I guess she's a family
woman, not a family man).
Lest this smack of hagiography, none of this is relevant to the running
of Grex, and as everyone knows, Steve and I differ about the best
approach to these. I suppose my point is, let's not get things
confused. Someone's views on abortion, religion, etc, are totally
irrelevant. What *is* relevant is our direction as a system, where we
want to go, what we want to do, etc.
To that end, I agree with McNally's idea about finding some small,
attainable projects, and seeing them through to completion. What can we
do, though? Any ideas?
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lar
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response 71 of 126:
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Jul 11 06:03 UTC 2008 |
"Bringing my views about people's sovereignty over their own bodies into
this discussion is just another example of the low blows you're making
in this item."
You're the one that gets making desparing remarks about another's
character. To criticize someone for making a decision you don't agree
with Isn't a low blow. However, to try to spin the battle into a
question of character is a way to weasel away from the salient issue.
I have just as much to call into question your disgusting position of
murdering babies as you do to question my tactics. I actually don't care
what you think of my opinion. However, I don't think I have swung any
low blows here. Not like YOU are trying to do. Now If I said something
like "slynne, if your opinion carried as much weight as that fat ass of
yours, then you could rule the world", then THAT would be a low blow.
However,I'm not saying that.
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mcnally
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response 72 of 126:
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Jul 11 06:03 UTC 2008 |
I think at this point the thing most likely to improve the
recoverability of the system in the event of an outage is finding
a remote console solution. I don't have any experience with them,
but it seems like there are many IP-based KVM solutions. Could
we set something like that up so that the next time there's a
crisis the recovery of the system doesn't depend on the Andres or
the few other local-to-Ann-Arbor volunteers with access?
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lar
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response 73 of 126:
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Jul 11 06:13 UTC 2008 |
"What have I ever done to you or Grex for you to
be so up in my face against me?"
Who is "against" you? If you don't have root access then you are
excluded from the topic. I don't have an issue with you being told the
root password and being walked through some issues nor do I have
aproblem with you rebooting the system without permission. That;s
laughable and it (coupled with slynne's remarks about "low blows") is a
misrepresentation of my position. I will restate it for clarification: I
have an issue with someone who acts arbitrarily and without
accountability to the community.
Now,you made a statement that led me to believe that this issue had been
discussed at length in staff.cf. cross then posted what was actually
said. It showed that the statement you made was misleading hence the
label "pious fraud". The label was directed at your statement.
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glenda
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response 74 of 126:
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Jul 11 07:15 UTC 2008 |
I never said "discussed at length", I said that it was discussed.
How am I not to believe that you are against me when you mention me by
name every time you go into a tirade against STeve, especially since you
are accusing me of doing the same things you say he is doing without
knowing what my exact position on staff was. You just assumed that
because I am related to him that I am just as bad as him in your eyes.
I find that to be insulting. If you knew us, you would find that we
have a lot of differences of opinion on a lot of things, Grex among
them. In fact, STeve is one of the reasons that I have stayed around.
If left to my own devices, I would have said the hell with it due to the
actions of people like Chad, hera, jmpv (or whatever his login is), and
you. I don't need this type of aggravation with everything else going
on in my life right now. I stay because STeve says it is worth it in
the long run and because of the friends that I have found here. I
usually ignore jerks like you, and will now go back to doing so.
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lar
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response 75 of 126:
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Jul 11 08:39 UTC 2008 |
"I never said "discussed at length", I said that it was discussed."
You attempted to make me believe the whole issue was discussed in staff
and that it was a decision that you had agreed to. That's the innuendo
expressed in that pious fraud of a statement. You can out whining like a
spanked puppy with a persecution complex when cross posted what was
actually posted there. You statement was a thinly veiled attempt at
deception. Don't try to play the sympathy card when you are called out
on it.
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cross
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response 76 of 126:
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Jul 11 13:23 UTC 2008 |
resp:72 I agree that that's a pretty obvious thing. Personally, I think
we need to upgrade to a new machine with such functionality just built
in. It would probably be pretty easy, but we need to spec something out
and just buy it.
The board discussed doing that, and make some steps toward actually
doing it, but then got sidetracked (that was actually my fault: the task
was mine, and I got so busy that it never happened).
I will look again.
An issue: when Grex got onto its present hardware, we sort of did it by
buying the cheapest stuff we could. In retrospect, that was a bad idea,
and a continued symptom of our past "cheapness." That is, our limited
budget had forced us to be bottom feeders when it came to hardware. It
further forced us to be clever when it came to stringing things together
into a usable system. That was all well and good in and around the
90's, not so much later, but we got used to it and by the time we had
actual money, we still thought about things in the old way. Some of the
predictions about the unreliability of PC hardware that we'd fought off
came true, but largely they were self-fulfilling prophecies that we
subjected ourselves to, not functions of the hardware.
Well, that was then. This incarnation of Grex has been running since
late 2003 or thereabouts, and it's really time to upgrade to new
hardware. In doing that, let's *not* nickle and dime ourselves into
unreliability; we have the money, let's get some decent hardware and go
from there.
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slynne
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response 77 of 126:
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Jul 11 14:47 UTC 2008 |
resp:72 I like the idea of IP based KVM for grex but most of the devices
I found after a quick google search seemed pretty expensive.
I like the idea of new hardware but I think that qualifies as a big
project.
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scholar
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response 78 of 126:
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Jul 11 15:22 UTC 2008 |
Re. 74: Glenda, someone making a terse comment is not a discussion by any
definition.
It's not clear to me exactly how touching it is that you're trying to convince
us you have no special quarter for your own husband.
However, it is quite clear that you used what you believed to be your
privileged access to the staff conference to mislead Grex's membership into
thinking Steve's drastic action may have been well considered, robustly
discussed, or possibly even something that had gained consensus among staff.
It's also clear that, now that your deception has been plainly exposed, you're
attempting to avoid responsibility by refusing to talk about it.
Volunteer or no, using a position of authority to lie to the members of a
corporation and indeed the members of what's purpoted to be an open community
is simply unacceptable.
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tsty
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response 79 of 126:
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Jul 12 09:11 UTC 2008 |
re 78 .. schooler ... umm, what yuor myopia misses is that a ;terse
comment; is the usual ourcome of a long adn difficult discussion.
your slurs exhibit al the pathos of an immature thinker - try again.
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lar
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response 80 of 126:
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Jul 12 09:31 UTC 2008 |
"it is quite clear that you used what you believed to be your
privileged access to the staff conference to mislead Grex's membership
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thinking Steve's drastic action may have been well considered, robustly
discussed, or possibly even something that had gained consensus among
staff."
Thanks tarp, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who got that
impression from her statement. It was a PIOUS FRAUD
"now that your deception has been plainly exposed, you're
attempting to avoid responsibility by refusing to talk about it."
Hey, her not speaking is doing the rest of us a favor. I'm hoping this
gets steve so pissed off he he comes busting in here like like a swat
team.
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mary
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response 81 of 126:
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Jul 12 12:52 UTC 2008 |
Too many lars. Not enough delizias.
Why online communities die.
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cross
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response 82 of 126:
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Jul 12 15:10 UTC 2008 |
resp:79 Yeah, except that that really didn't happen. That said, given
the context, Steve's actions were NOT unreasonable. The real problem
wasn't that newuser got turned off as a stopgap; the problem was that we
never figured out how to turn it back on.
resp:80 [last paragraph] I'm not sure what purpose that would serve.
Are you trying to antagonize Steve into doing something so drastic that
the resulting community uproar would toss him out of grex? I don't
think that's likely to happen.
resp:81 That just sounds bitter. And, frankly, a little lame:
communities change over time, just like neighborhoods. It's not dying,
it's changing. That it's changing to something you don't particularly
care for is totally irrelevant, and speaks more about you than it does
about everybody else. Now, that said, if you have something productive
to add, we're all ears....
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lar
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response 83 of 126:
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Jul 14 02:06 UTC 2008 |
"Too many lars. Not enough delizias.
Why online communities die."
I thought it was because of morbidly obese ugly women.
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lowclass
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response 84 of 126:
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Jul 14 02:29 UTC 2008 |
Do you like what you see in YOUR mirror? Do you even bother to ever notice.
While we're at it, do you look ANY deeper, at ANY time, than surface?
Gawd, you're a lonely and bitter man...
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lar
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response 85 of 126:
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Jul 14 03:21 UTC 2008 |
heh, you must be one the fat ugly women cuz when you throw a stick in
a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got it.
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tod
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response 86 of 126:
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Jul 14 18:11 UTC 2008 |
re #85
You totally missed the mark.
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hungus
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response 87 of 126:
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Jul 14 18:33 UTC 2008 |
And Lar is off the rails again.
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tod
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response 88 of 126:
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Jul 14 18:40 UTC 2008 |
And that's how it goes
millions of grexers
losing contro-o-ol
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lar
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response 89 of 126:
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Jul 15 04:55 UTC 2008 |
If I can get out of this straitjacket I'm going to punch you...
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veek
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response 90 of 126:
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Jul 15 07:42 UTC 2008 |
Re #79: "your slurs exhibit al the pathos of an immature thinker - try
again."
I beg to differ: "an axe to grind" seems to be more appropriate. <bops
the scholar on ze head - you seem to forget sweetie that there are
elections held, so it *IS* an open community>
Re #83: She isn't even close to being morbidly obese. You shouldn't
abandon honesty when you attack someone, it looses all its *sting*
*Mmm* my lunch is not half bad :) Cold chicken with rice+carrots but
there is tangy bread with butter and just the right amount of tang to it
:) I need that tangy-jammy recipe :)
Actually, maybe, would it be possible to backup the Grex server and give
complete root access to scholar, cdalten and lar just for like a month
or so AFTER warning everyone?? Or maybe setup an alternate domain using
VMware?? evvvilhax0r.cyberspace.org.
Hmm come to think off it, scholar is a canuck, canucks have cheap
bandwidth - can't he run a temporary thing on his home box and if things
work out.. just a suggestion - I wouldn't dream of allowing scholar,
chad and maybe lar near the actual grex server but maybe we could all
login (and use different passwords for his box) and see how things are
run there...
Just a suggestion, no nasty flames please. It would resolve to some
extent this problem.. It would be fun, it might really take off, we have
another box to play with, and it would feel like Grex :)
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scholar
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response 91 of 126:
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Jul 16 04:26 UTC 2008 |
Being lied to by an organisation I have donated hundreds of dollars to does
sort of give me an ax to grind, yeah.
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lar
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response 92 of 126:
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Jul 17 01:40 UTC 2008 |
yeah, swindled and lied to
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nharmon
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response 93 of 126:
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Jul 17 01:52 UTC 2008 |
I didn't know scholar donated hundreds of dollars to Grex.
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