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keesan
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response 68 of 122:
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Dec 29 16:53 UTC 1998 |
How many kinds of rock are there? What do they have in common? How do they
differ from other kinds of music (or are the edges of categories fuzzy)?
I have heard a bit of techno music, which was nonvocalic. It was very well
done, complex rhythm but I don't recall any melody.
Are some kinds of rock intended to be louder than others? Is rock sort
of a catchall term for non-classical non-jazz now? How is rock different from
pop?
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steve
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response 69 of 122:
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Dec 29 17:58 UTC 1998 |
Like any other genre of music, I think its far to say there are lots
of different kinds. Rock evolved from blues and jazz it seems to me,
based on listening to stuff from the early 50's. Name a form of music
and you can probably point to some rock that has that as an influence.
It would seem to me that what some call acid rock is supposed to be
played loud, but given that I'm not a fan of noise, but of music, I'm
not the right one to talk. I do know that there is a type of Rock
(MArilyn Manson comes to mind) which seems like pure noise to me and
not at all worthwhile. But thats me.
Your question of how pop and rock differ is an interesting one. Maybe
pop is often times 'immature' rock? I don't really know.
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tpryan
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response 70 of 122:
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Dec 30 01:21 UTC 1998 |
Gary Hoey and Joe Satriani are two Rock Guitarists who put out
non-vocal works.
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keesan
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response 71 of 122:
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Dec 30 03:02 UTC 1998 |
Is there any rock music intended as background music in the sense that it does
not try to grab your attention with a strong beat?
I still have not figured out what 'rock' music includes.
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steve
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response 72 of 122:
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Dec 30 03:39 UTC 1998 |
It might be easier to gather a list of 'well known' rock groups
and use that as a boundary. Rock encompasses a lot of stuff.
I'm not there there is any "muzak" rock. It may be an oxymoron.
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keesan
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response 73 of 122:
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Dec 30 04:04 UTC 1998 |
I can listen to Mozart while working (Mozart is not muzak), I meant something
like that. Lots of classical music was meant to be listened to while doing
something else (walking around the gardens or at a party).
How would you categorize the stuff played on the Ypsi student station
(not counting their Indian and Turkish folk music)?
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steve
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response 74 of 122:
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Dec 30 04:38 UTC 1998 |
Interesting? ;-)
I'm not very good as classifying music, for probably a couple of
reasons. The most important one is that I don't really care what
people call it as long as it holds my interest. Most people don't
have that view I think, which is why my entire grade shcool thought
I was crazy for my bringing Kabuki music to school. All I know is
that I like good things and shun noise.
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cyklone
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response 75 of 122:
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Dec 30 13:53 UTC 1998 |
Re #73: Anything can be Muzak, even Mozart. Muzak, IMNSHO, is a "dumbing
down" of a preexisting piece of music, whereby the soul and originality of
the work is removed, leaving only a homogenized sound, usually featuring
strings . . . .
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scott
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response 76 of 122:
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Dec 30 14:56 UTC 1998 |
Devo did a whole Muzak album of their various songs. According to one
interview, it's the one album they all really like still.
("Muzak" is the name of a commercial service. They record their own special
versions of recent hits to add to the collection. Supposedly they have people
employed full time doing this, just to keep up)
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tpryan
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response 77 of 122:
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Dec 31 05:37 UTC 1998 |
particulary when the likes of Henry Mancini have become
decomposing composers.
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krj
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response 78 of 122:
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Jan 4 19:38 UTC 1999 |
resp:60 :: Sindi, which Finnish & Karelian folk music recording did you
try out?
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keesan
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response 79 of 122:
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Jan 5 02:28 UTC 1999 |
I don't recall, but I doubt that the library had more than one.
I found YES at the library, not bad but too much beat for my taste, but I will
give it more of a listen. I like my rhythm a bit more varied. But this is
certainly above the run of the mill rock music. Track 2 is Cans and Brahms,
with electric piano and synthesizer. I prefer the original arrangment but
this is interesting and certainly classical-based. The album is Fragile Yes.
Jim also liked the Brahms and wondered 'how did they both get on the same CD'?
(I guess he does not like the third track).
Maybe I had better stick to classical and folk (original and
imitation). The rock is just too repetitive. (Not that a lot of folk is not
awfully repetitive). Boom (next track). Sounds like a howling wind, and too
much percussion for my taste. Does all rock music have a lot f beat?
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steve
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response 80 of 122:
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Jan 5 02:45 UTC 1999 |
I don't know quite how to classify this one, but Anthony Phillips,
once of Genesis, has a series of wonderful things called "Private
Parts and Pieces", perhaps seven albumns now, of various little things
he'd written over the years but didn't use. I have several on vinyl
and just one on CD, but apparently they are available on CD now.
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krj
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response 81 of 122:
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Jan 10 01:16 UTC 1999 |
I was at the library today and I took a quick look over the folk CDs.
The ones I would suggest for Sindi, if she hasn't tried them already,
were:
the Irish band Altan, any CD
the Irish band Clannad, IN CONCERT (the other Clannad discs the
library owns are from their New Age period)
the finnish accordeon player Maria Kalaniemi, IHO is the title to try 1st
the Swedish band Vasen, SPIRIT (all instrumental, I think)
the Scottish harp duo Sileas, BEATING HARPS
I didn't have time to scan the jazz section, I'll try that next time.
resp:79 :: I suppose there are exceptions here and there, but in
general rock music is characterized by its Big Beat.
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cloud
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response 82 of 122:
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Jan 10 04:20 UTC 1999 |
Yeah, I think the beat is what really puts it appart from other types of
music. It does not nessessarilly mean that the beat has to be simple. I was
reading up on Gentle Giant yesterday, and I came accross this interesting
snippet...
"In the middle section of Cogs in Cogs, the two vocal parts are in very
different meters. The first part to enter ("The circle
turns around, the changing voices calling...") is in 6/4, but the second
one ("Circle turns around the changing voices") is in
15/8. This means that the two melodies "line up" differently in 6
different ways. The phrases "meet" every 60 eighth notes."
I've listened to the song, and really is a neat effect. Maybe we should make
a new item called "Rock Music for Classical Lovers" it seems to be the way
this one's drifting... Oh well, I guess that the two are simaler.
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cyklone
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response 83 of 122:
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Jan 10 13:47 UTC 1999 |
Check out Genesis' "Suppers Ready" where the rhythmic figure is in 9/4 and
the keyboard solos in 4/4.
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cloud
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response 84 of 122:
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Jan 10 17:17 UTC 1999 |
which album is that on? I've already got "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway," and
"Selling England by the Pound"
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cyklone
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response 85 of 122:
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Jan 11 13:37 UTC 1999 |
Its on Nursery Crime or Foxtrot (it may also be on one of their live albums).
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keesan
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response 86 of 122:
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Jan 11 16:49 UTC 1999 |
Beats like 9/4 or 7/4 are common in Balkan music and farther east. I think
that a lot of recent composers are borrowing from other folk and classical
traditions now. Will check out the Irish, Finnish, etc. folk-based stuff,
thanks Ken. (If it ever gets a bit warmer).
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keesan
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response 87 of 122:
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Jan 11 21:20 UTC 1999 |
We may get to the library this evening so I made a list: Ken's Irish band
Altan, Irish band Clennad, Finnish accordion Maria Kalaneni 'IHO', Swedish
band Vasen 'Spirit', Scottish harp by Sileas 'Beating Harps'. Maybe some
interesting rhythm stuff by Genesis, Jean Luc Ponty's jazz, Passport, and
Jethro Tull. If nothing else, I will be more educated after listening.
(Did I miss any recent suggestions? Went back 30 responses).
Seems like the more unusual folk music was preserved on the fringes of Europe
- Celtic areas and Scandinavia - or else there is just more interest in folk
revival there. I have a couple of folk-style tapes from Hungary, but from
the rest of E. Europe the folk music is mostly real folk, not folk-style.
People still listen to it on the radio in Bulgaria or Serbia, and the pop
music is often folk-influenced (the stuff you hear in bars).
An Italian friend made me a tape of Sicilian bagpipe music, bagpipes are also
on the fringes - Scotland, Sicily, Macedonia and Greece and Bulgaria. Are
they used farther east of Bulgaria? Or in any recently composed music?
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e4808mc
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response 88 of 122:
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Jan 12 03:03 UTC 1999 |
Scott would you unlink this from houseplants? Dunno how it got here.
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davel
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response 89 of 122:
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Jan 12 03:22 UTC 1999 |
Music to grow the plants by?
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mcnally
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response 90 of 122:
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Jan 12 06:29 UTC 1999 |
The folkies seem to be dominating the suggestions so far.
I'd re-iterate the earlier suggestion to try Dead Can Dance
and would add another album on the same record label (4AD),
Cocteau Twins. "Victorialand" might be a good album to start
with..
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scott
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response 91 of 122:
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Jan 12 12:07 UTC 1999 |
OK, it is now unlinked.
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keesan
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response 92 of 122:
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Jan 12 20:46 UTC 1999 |
I found IHO (Maria Kalaniemi Finnish), the Best of Altan (Irish), Clannad in
Concert at the public library. I somehow ended up there without my list and
will try other suggestions another time. Also found in with the original and
newly composed folk music some non-Western classical music from North India
Inkuyo Music of the Andes, and Armenia: Sources (folk?). For some reason
Asian classical music is classified as folk.
My apologies on the houseplant involvement, but I had accidentally
entered this item there, as you will realize if you start reading at the first
response. Some helpful people got it moved to Music and Classical but could
not figure out how to unlink it from Garden. Scott, how did you manage?
I will try Dead Can Dance and the jazz suggestions next trip.
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