response 65 of 110:

Sep 8 01:46 UTC 2003

OR MINE?!
login as: naftee
Sent username "naftee"
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied

response 67 of 110:

Sep 8 02:26 UTC 2003

65: I think this proves Valerie "Popcorn" (?) Mates is a liar.

response 69 of 110:

Sep 8 03:36 UTC 2003

re 67 Her web page proves that fact nicely.

response 71 of 110:

Sep 8 10:25 UTC 2003

Make that 14. ;-)

response 73 of 110:

Sep 8 15:36 UTC 2003

The main handler of Grex staff email (Steve Weiss) is on vacation.  He usually
processes the week's email each weekend.  Valerie was covering things for him,
but she has been hit by a heck of a lot of work this weekend.  It'll be a few
days before she can reply.

Naftee:  Staff has a heck of a lot of work to do dealing with real issues.
We really don't need to spend time playing games with you so you can "test
out the policy".  Golly, gee, big surprise, the policy is exactly what we
say it is!  You have to play games to determine this?

I dug through some staff mail and found this mail below.  It appears that
the new password for naftee has been sent to you.  The old password will not
be restored by staff, because staff doesn't know your old password.  You
need to use the new password that was emailed to log in.

From the message below, it appears to me that (1) your problem has been
resolved, and (2) you have managed to confuse Valerie with your stupid games
and (3) you have elicited from her a wholely undeserved apology.  She's
been way to polite to you throughout.

> From: <valerie@unixmama.com>
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:59:33 -0400
> To: "Jim Daloonik" <haveaniceday@yourmom.com>
> Subject: Re: Help Please!
> 
> OHHH!  I see -- I thought you were complaining that someone else had
> created an account on Grex, directed lots of spam to it, and then set it up
> to forward mail to you to harrass you.  In fact you were saying that naftee
> is your own account, and that people were sending lots of spam to it.  My
> apologies!!!!!  I'll go reset the password and send it to you in a separate
> message in a moment.
> 
> And the correct answer to your original message about receiving spam is
> that everybody else on Grex is getting way too much spam too.  Grex is
> slowly working toward switching to a more modern computer.  Once that
> happens, we should be able to put more modern anti-spam blocks in
> place.  In the meantime, you can forward spam messages (they must include
> complete message headers -- all the "received from" lines -- in order to do
> any good) to uce@cyberspace.org.  That address is a repository of
> spam.  Once in a while grex's mail guru goes through the mail in that box
> and looks for patterns that can be used to add new teeth to Grex's
> anti-spam filters.  When you forward mail to that address, you won't get
> any reply; the message is simply accumulated until someone on staff can
> take a look at it.
> 
> Again, I apologize for the confusion!!
> 
> -Valerie Mates
> Grex staff
> 
> At 09:54 PM 9/6/2003 -0700, Jim Daloonik wrote:
> >It would be greatly appreciated if I could have my account back, please.
> >
> > >Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:41:40 -0400
> > > "Jim Daloonik" ,  Valerie Mates  Re: Help Please!
> > >At 01:50 PM 9/6/2003 -0700, Jim Daloonik wrote:
> > >
> > >>help me please.  i'm getting tons of forwarded spam from naftee@grex.org
. > > >>help > > >>please. > > > > > >I've turned it off, and reset the
password for the naftee account.  It's > > >Grex policy that in this situation,
we'll assume that you can have control > > >of the account if you'd like (since
people only forward their e-mail to > > >their own other accounts).  Please let
me know if you'd like the password > > >for naftee sent to you.  > > > > >
>-Valerie Mates > > >Grex staff > > > > > > > >
>------------------------------------------------- > > >Valerie Mates, Web
Developer > > >http://www.valeriemates.com > > >valerie@unixmama.com > >
>(734) 973-2472, fax (501) 423-8432 > >
>------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >At 01:50 PM
9/6/2003 -0700, Jim Daloonik wrote: > > > > > >>help me please.  i'm getting
tons of forwarded spam from naftee@grex.org . > > >>help > > >>please. > > > >
> >I've turned it off, and reset the password for the naftee account.  It's > >
>Grex policy that in this situation, we'll assume that you can have control > >
>of the account if you'd like (since people only forward their e-mail to > >
>their own other accounts).  Please let me know if you'd like the password > >
>for naftee sent to you. > > > > > >-Valerie Mates > > >Grex staff

I haven't a clue what is going on with the polytarp account.  I don't see
a request from dah for the polytarp password to be restored in staff mail.
Did Valerie have a way in mind to prove that 'dah' is 'polytarp'?  That's
usually required before resetting and mailing out a password.  I dunno.
You needn't bother trying to log in with the old password.  We don't know
the old password and can't reset it.  To reset the password, a new one will
be set and mailed to you.

response 75 of 110:

Sep 8 15:43 UTC 2003

RE 72 Yeah, you deserve to lose your account, your privacy, your files, 
your identity...

re 73 It's not my problem if she gets confused over something.  As for 
the password, I logged in, reset it to what it was originally, and now 
it fails to work.   AND you still haven't even considered the possible 
solution of giving a warning.  In fact, I believe it was NON staff 
members who've had a more open view with this than you close-minded 
people.

response 77 of 110:

Sep 8 18:06 UTC 2003

Waisting.

response 79 of 110:

Sep 9 04:16 UTC 2003

Watching naftee/dah/polytarp/asddsa complain about the utterly
predictable results of stupid acts is very entertaining.
 
Though I'd suggest not setting the passwords back.  If the recipient
of the forwards complains, just splat the account, no saving throw.

response 81 of 110:

Sep 9 13:06 UTC 2003

Re 80: Are you addressing russ, or naftee?     8-{)]

response 83 of 110:

Sep 9 20:34 UTC 2003

Both the policies presented by russ and myself are more reasonable than the
current ones.

response 85 of 110:

Sep 9 20:54 UTC 2003

I nominate your mom.

response 87 of 110:

Sep 9 22:46 UTC 2003

(Re #84: Adoption of a policy by vote does not prove that
the policy is reasonable.)

response 89 of 110:

Sep 10 00:33 UTC 2003

Reasonable, being a highly subjective concept, may in this instance be 
considered to be effectively determined by a test of adoption and 
implementation by the membership of Grex.