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25 new of 870 responses total.
aruba
response 646 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 04:58 UTC 2005

I was able to dial in this morning, but melanief was not, and in the
afternoon neither of us could dial in.  Trying now - the phone seems to be
answered, but there is no connection beep.
keesan
response 647 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 14:19 UTC 2005

No luck this morning for me (Monday).  The Kiwanis visit is because a grexer
who runs the computer/electronic dept. there has some ideas about how better
to set up the modems with twisted-pair phone cable instead of 25' phone cords
to eliminate interference and resulting problems.  He is totally dependent
upon grex dialins for internet access so has a strong interest in getting this
working soon.  Joe, thanks again for all your time.
gull
response 648 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 15:49 UTC 2005

Twisted pair *is* better than flat cord, for avoiding interference. 
CAT3 is often used for phone wiring.
naftee
response 649 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 19:39 UTC 2005

I keep getting this error:
login as: naftee
naftee@grex.org's password:
Server refused to allocate pty
gelinas
response 650 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 20:31 UTC 2005

I don't know why ptys aren't being allocated; we only had 26 users on.

I went with flat cord for now; 'twas available.
tod
response 651 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 21:07 UTC 2005

re #649
DITTO
scholar
response 652 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 21:11 UTC 2005

Re. 650: it's because people are breeding too quickly.  :(

(also remember that people can use up ptys merely by telneting in.  they don't
actually have to enter their username and password.)
keesan
response 653 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 00:27 UTC 2005

Thanks, I am dialed in now.    Why did you need to turn off grex to plug in
the modems?
aruba
response 654 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 01:41 UTC 2005

I still can't dial in.  The modem tries to connect - I get the beep and the
answering beep, then some transmission noise, and then a higher beep which
never stops.  The connection is never completed.

Joe, are these two of the same modems that we were using before?  Did you
change any settings?
gull
response 655 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 02:13 UTC 2005

I had that problem for a while at work.  Some modems just couldn't dial
in to our modem -- they'd start the handshake and never complete it,
with the same sort of high-pitched beep.  I switched to a more expensive
modem, one meant for dialin use, and that solved it.  (Specifically, I
switched from a $50 US Robotics Sportster to a $300 US Robotics Courier.
 Sportsters are strictly consumer-grade modems, and not very good ones
at that, as it turns out.)
twenex
response 656 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 02:25 UTC 2005

Re: #653. I assume because the modems in question are not plugged into serial
ports, but into the expansion ports at the back of the computer, which require
you to take the case off to get at, and turn the power off to avoid shorting
the motherboard. If this is the case, then frankly, I'm amazed that any recent 
PCI modems have been found that aren't those accursed WinModem things, which, 
as the name suggests, are crippled to only work with That Other OS. 
This is done by moving most of the (already limited) intelligence of modems 
into proprietary modem driver software written for Windows, and distributed 
without source code. It serves Microsoft's purposes because it makes them hard 
(but not impossible! 8D) to use with Linux, et al., and serves the purposes of 
the manufacturers because it makes them cheaper to produce whilst slightly 
raising profit margins.

Thankyou Microsoft, thankyou very bloody much. 

I don't think.

(As an aside, reading, in Knoppix Hacks, about the limitations of the Windows
Recovery CD made me think of a brilliant strategy for punishing Microsoft for
their illegal behaviour towards other OS and application vendors: They should
simply be forced to use their own OS.)
gull
response 657 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 02:42 UTC 2005

Re resp:656: I'm pretty sure Grex is using external modems, unless
something has changed.
twenex
response 658 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 02:46 UTC 2005

Interesting. Perhaps then turning Grex off was just to be on the safe side.
Only Joe can enlighten us, really.
scholar
response 659 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:09 UTC 2005

http://www.safesideforjesus.org/
richard
response 660 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:21 UTC 2005

re #659...we seem to have a problem with certain users or user posting 
fake url's.  A user posting fake url's is purposely posting bad 
information on the system.  Which in turn cause people who come here 
to see these links and hit on them.  If grex is full of posts with bad 
url links, it makes grex itself look bad.  IMO staff does not need to 
be condoning such activity.
gelinas
response 661 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:26 UTC 2005

Primarily, I turned grex off because I wanted to plug it into the powerstrip
I have the modems plugged into.  When I went in on Saturday, I plugged the
powerstrip in to the UPS.  It just made sense to me to have everything plugged
into the powerstrip.

These are the GVC external modems we were using at the Pumpkin.  
scholar
response 662 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:27 UTC 2005

if this is the case, we must first as ourselves, why are people hitting on
links instead of on buns?

a neoclassical formulation would b e:  because they're women!

but this was busted up by the implicationf of implied homosexuality in the
work of anciebnt greek scholars combined with the people who supported "greek
life".

so, the next formulation was:  because they'er women and abnormal men!

this held true until the famous french midget jaques derrida came along and
DECONSTRUCTED the idea of gender, positing that women were the euqal and
opposite reaction (i.e. social newtonianism) and that this allowed us to bust
up the gender binary,

and come up with he current forulation:  some PEOPLE like hitting on lin ks,
some like hitting on buns, some don't like hitting on either, and some like
hitting on both.

needless to say, richard shoulod be ashamed of his
discriminatory/sexist/genderbinaryist views of hitting on links.
twenex
response 663 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:29 UTC 2005

What?!
richard
response 664 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:42 UTC 2005

deliberately posting a bad link on grex on purpose should be seen as 
just as bad as deliberately posting bad code on grex.  Or deliberately 
posting any sort of information known beforehand to be bad on grex.  
It is corrupting the quality of the bbs.  Grex should pride itself on 
the quality of its posts, and that means staff taking action when it 
sees users deliberately and purposely posting bad information 
repeatedly.  
aruba
response 665 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:44 UTC 2005

Re #661 - something must have changed, because I could connect to the
Pumpkin but I can't connect to Grex in its new home.  Nothing's changed on
my end except the phone number I'm dialing.  It does sound like there's a
little bit of line noise, but I wouldn't think that'd be enough to cause a
problem.

BTW Joe - do these lines hunt?  I.e., if I dial 0512, and it's busy, will
I be forwarded to 0513?

Also, the !phones command needs to be updated.
gelinas
response 666 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 04:11 UTC 2005

The 'phone company tells me they hunt.

The phones script is updated.
scholar
response 667 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 04:12 UTC 2005

http://www.richardscrusade.org/
glenda
response 668 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 04:34 UTC 2005

Re #664:  Richard, don't feed the troll!
keesan
response 669 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 05:00 UTC 2005

I tried just now and could not connect via dialing.  I might have been using
a different computer earlier when I connected.  I have mostly USR Sportsters
flashed from x2 to v90.  This one is a 28.8K.   
scott
response 670 of 870: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 08:30 UTC 2005

When I get back I could try to dig up my old Newton-based modem configuration.
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