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rcurl
response 64 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 21:00 UTC 2003

So, mvpel, why have the Republicans taken over from the Democrats in being
racists? I was a Republican then too.

jazz
response 65 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 22:31 UTC 2003

        Indeed.  The very origin of the names "democrat" and "republican", in
comparison with what both parties stand for politically, reveals that both
have changed markedly since their inception.
klg
response 66 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 02:24 UTC 2003

Lessee.  The Republicans are the party that bounced Trent Lott for 
making insensitive remarks about segregation.

The Democrats appear to be likely to give Al Sharpton (who fomented a 
riot against Jews in NYC) a prime time spot at their next national 
convention.

We report.  You decide.
scott
response 67 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 03:09 UTC 2003

Riiighhhhttt...  The Republicans, with no regard for public opinion, bounced
Lott on their own initiative.
rcurl
response 68 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 06:55 UTC 2003

Let's say, he got too hot to handle, so was dropped.
klg
response 69 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 19:42 UTC 2003

But Rev. Al and his boys ain't too hot for the Democrats, or so it 
appears.

The party that rejects racists is racist.  The party that embraces them 
isn't.  Calling George Orwell.
rcurl
response 70 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 20:13 UTC 2003

Few people take Sharpton seriously, and in addition he has not and does
not serve in any capacity in elected or appointed government. No political
party has to "drop" its kooky camp followers - eveyone knows they are
there but they are not taken seriously unless they get elected or
appointed (or threaten to be....). 

Lott was Speaker of the House, and thus second in line to the Presidency.
Big difference from Sharpton.

klg
response 71 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 20:36 UTC 2003

Sorry, rcurl.  That don't cut it.  The appearance of impropriety is 
there.  If the Dems had any guts, they'd get up and say that his ideas 
have no place in their party.  But, their need for votes is greater 
than their priciples.


Regarding succession to the presidency (just trying to keep you honest), 
I thought the following were the first 3 in line.  Note that #3 is not 
the senate Majority Leader, but the pres, pro tempore.  Until recently, 
that was Trent's friend Strom, based on # of years in the Senate.  I 
don't know who presently has that job.

The Sequence of Presidential Succession
          1.   Vice-President 
          2.   Speaker of the House 
          3.   President Pro Tempore of the Senate 
rcurl
response 72 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 21:10 UTC 2003

Thanks for the correction. My error was in thinking at that moment that
Lott had been House speaker rather than Majority Leader in the Senate. 

I will agree that Sharpton should be castigated more than he is by the
Democrats, and I know the reason he isn't: the same reason the Republicans
don't much castigate their demagogues on talk radio. 

scg
response 73 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 23:52 UTC 2003

The Republicans eventually rejected Lott as Majority Leader, after a lot of
pressure was put on them.  Then, once the furor died down, they gave him a
powerful committee chairmanship.  It hardly sounds like a rejection.

As for other prominent Republicans, let's just say that when John Ashcroft
talks about the importance of "states' rights" concerning school
desegregation, he clearly doesn't have the same views on "states' rights" when
it comes to going after marijuana producers in California.
gelinas
response 74 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 26 00:28 UTC 2003

The Republicans haven't shut down Pat Buchanan, last I heard.  If Buchanan
isn't a Republican, it's because _he_ chose to leave, not because
Republicans didn't want him.

Eventually, Sharpton will probably make a similar choice.
klg
response 75 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 26 20:55 UTC 2003

Not as long as the Democrats continue to treat him like a powerbroker.
gull
response 76 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 27 02:17 UTC 2003

Republican candidates' chances of nomination still live or die on what
Robertson and Fallwell say, in spite of their well-known biases.  I don't
think either party has a clean record here.
mvpel
response 77 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 16:31 UTC 2003

Why Jews and blacks vote Democratic: Part I
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030121.shtml

Why Jews and blacks vote Democratic: Part II
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030128.shtml
slynne
response 78 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 17:11 UTC 2003

HAHAHA. Those articles are really funny. Who is this guy? What a fruit 
loop!
klg
response 79 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 17:55 UTC 2003

Strange sense of humor you have.

As a member of one of the groups discussed, it made perfect sense to me.
johnnie
response 80 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 18:41 UTC 2003

What's funny is that he spends two columns pondering why blacks won't 
vote for "the party that celebrates America **as if it isn't** a racist 
country."  

I suspect that blacks would rather vote for the party *working* to 
eliminate racism, rather than the one pretending it doesn't exist.


scg
response 81 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 18:53 UTC 2003

I find a couple statements in his column to be pretty telling:  "As for Jews'
fears of American Christians, they are even less fact-based than blacks'
continuing anger at whites.  American Christians were never the anti-Semites
of Jewish memory.  Those were European Christians who persecuted Jews for all
those years, precisely the Christians that America's (Christian) founders fled
to establish this different society."  And, "regarding race, most white
Americans would probably like nothing more than to forget about race, as they
no longer deem either their own whiteness of blacks' blackness to be of
particular significance."

The first, that anti-Semitism never made it across the Atlantic is just plain
false.  The second statement, that most white Americans just want to forget
about race, is likely more true, but without the benefits he envisions.  With
much of the black population isolated in ghettos, with failing schools and
little economic opportunity, and much of the white population in relatively
affluent suburbs with no exposure to the poorer, blackers, parts of their
metropolitan areas, walking away now and declaring it to be time to forget
about race would amount to abandonment rather than help.
slynne
response 82 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 19:17 UTC 2003

I just think it is funny that this old white guy thinks he can get 
inside the "black" psyche or the "jew" psyche so completely. He speaks 
as if members of these groups actually think exactly alike which is 
quite far from the truth as far as I can tell. Yeah Mr Cracker, tell us 
how those Blacks and Jews think. 
scott
response 83 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 19:22 UTC 2003

I think it's much more likely that ethnic groups tend to vote all one way is
because they are organized to do so.  So at present the Black and Jewish
leadership pushes the Democrats.  That might not be the best choice in every
single election, but overall the Democrats are presently a much better choice.

And if ethnic groups have learned one thing, it's that being imperfectly
organized is much better than not being organized at all.
klg
response 84 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 20:25 UTC 2003

re:  "#80 (johnnie):  I suspect that blacks would rather vote for the 
party *working* to eliminate racism, rather than the one pretending it 
doesn't exist."

In order to keep it's black support, the Democratic party must continue 
to claim racism.  Otherwise, it would cease to exist in its current 
form.  They can't afford to claim victory.


re:  "#81 (scg):  "American Christians were never the anti-Semites
of Jewish memory."

The first, that anti-Semitism never made it across the Atlantic is just 
plain false."

Prager doesn't say that "anti-Semitism never made it across the 
Atlantic."  He knows that statement just is not true, from, I am sure, 
first-hand experience.  He says, rather (per your quote) "American 
Christians were never the anti-Semites of Jewish memory."  This is 
substantially different.  It is one thing to be subject to 
discrimination and slurs.  It is quite another to be driven out or 
killed, which, in general, has not happened to Jews in America.


re:  "#82 (slynne):  Yeah Mr Cracker, tell us how those Blacks and Jews 
think."

If you don't let a Jew tell you how Jews think, who, then, should?

re:  "#83 (scott):  I think it's much more likely that ethnic groups 
tend to vote all one way is because they are organized to do so.  So at 
present the Black and Jewish leadership pushes the Democrats."

Herd mentality?  Can't they think as individuals?  Aren't there 
economic, social, etc. differences that ought to affect their 
perceptions and political preferences.  (Are you giving me some sort of 
compliment for being an independent thinker, able to do my own analysis 
and come to my own conclusions, regardless of how I have 
been "pushed"??  Thanks.)
scott
response 85 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 20:29 UTC 2003

Obviously if #83 confuses you then you haven't really experienced the problem.
klg
response 86 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 20:36 UTC 2003

What "problem"?
rcurl
response 87 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 21:01 UTC 2003

Re #86: klg says "In order to keep it's black support, the Democratic
party must continue to claim racism.  Otherwise, it would cease to exist
in its current form.  They can't afford to claim victory." 

I say this is patently untrue. Racism exists whether one identifies it or
not, as seen by the inequalities that exist between groups, and the
many recorded instances of overt racism (many experiments have been
run comparing access to the same housing by economically identical black
and white couples, the effect of people having "black" names on loan
applications, etc, with the universal result that being identified as
black reduces opportunities). Claiming "victory" over racism would only
make the situation much worse for minorities - sweeping the problem
out of sight. Of course, a lot of people, especially of the "right wing"
do want to sweep the problem out of sight.
klg
response 88 of 217: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 01:45 UTC 2003

As long as there are "groups" there will be "inequalities."  So one 
party or the other can conduct a crusade, rousing the rabble ad 
infinitum until every last one of us sits together arm in arm singing 
kumbaya.  It's too bad you don't believe in heaven, since that's the 
only place you're gonna find that.
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