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jep
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response 63 of 154:
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May 6 00:15 UTC 2003 |
According to Wired:
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,58351,00.html
The students allegedly set up sites using the programs Flatlan, Phynd
or Direct Connect, that, like the now-defunct Napster, indexed and
executed searches for copyrighted songs on the closed networks. The
RIAA charges that one network operator distributed 27,000 music files,
while the other three students ran networks offering 500,000 music
files, 650,000 files and over 1 million files.
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ea
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response 64 of 154:
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May 6 03:06 UTC 2003 |
re #61 - I haven't had any luck finding Katie Geddes either, nor George
Bedard and the Kingpins ... I did manage to find some songs by Big Dave
& the Ultrasonics once
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krj
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response 65 of 154:
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May 6 05:31 UTC 2003 |
John, you quote the Wired article: "The RIAA charges that one network
operator distributed 27,000 music files...." If you run an index
of files available through Microsoft file sharing on your local
network, are you thus "distributing" those files?
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krj
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response 66 of 154:
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May 6 21:16 UTC 2003 |
Here's an ideological perspective on the filesharing wars:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-miller050603.asp
The author believes that intellectual property rights must be protected
and he raises the spectre of Communism.
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jep
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response 67 of 154:
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May 7 03:24 UTC 2003 |
re resp:65: I haven't asserted anything, one way or the other. I have
tried to find out if any of those 4 college students were making money
from what they're doing. There's not much information about that, it
seems.
There's really not much information at all.
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krj
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response 68 of 154:
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May 7 05:37 UTC 2003 |
More followup on JEP's resp:63:
I thought I'd find some stuff on the Phynd, Flatlan and Direct Connect
indexing programs on Google. The Phynd sites are gone,
though Google still has a cache of them.
The Flatlan site appears to have been seized by the RIAA.
It now contains the text:
"this site is no longer available. for more information on
respecting creativity, the copyright laws, and how to get
music legally go to http://www.musicunited.org"
(which is a record industry project)
The U.Maryland campus paper ran a story on Phynd about a year ago:
http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2002/04/30/news9.html
Direct Connect's site is still up at http://www.neo-modus.com
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gull
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response 69 of 154:
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May 7 13:21 UTC 2003 |
Re #66: That's an interesting perspective, but I think it misses the
point that the record lables drove people to this, in some ways. If you
look at the file sharing networks, they started out as hard to use and
they've only sort of gotten easier. They're still only at all feasible
if you're on broadband, and even then getting what you want is usually
pretty painful. Yes, some people will always use them because they're
free, but I think a lot of people use them just because there's no
reasonable alternative.
If the record labels would stop being so stubborn about hanging on to
their current distribution method of selling overpriced CDs and set up a
credible online service, I think people would flock to it. To be
credible, it would have to contain all of their catalog, or at least a
large part of it, including "out of print works"; it would have to allow
purchase of individual songs for a reasonable fee; and it would have to
avoid using DRM schemes that prevent people from exercising their fair
use rights.
If I could get any music I wanted for, say, $0.99 per song, I'd never
touch WinMX again.
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jep
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response 70 of 154:
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May 7 19:31 UTC 2003 |
"The record labels drove people to this." I'm afraid that seems to me
like nonsense. What it really comes down to, is that it's cheaper and
more convenient for people to download music from Kazaa than to buy
it. As long as it's either cheaper, or more convenient, some people
aren't going to pay.
If it were cheaper and more convenient to steal Oldsmobiles, then
people would do that. They'd justify it by saying that cars are too
expensive, and car manufacturers ought to change the way they sell
them, and anyway, "everyone else is doing it".
I'm not pointing any fingers. As I said earlier, I've become very much
fascinated by Kazaa over the past few weeks. I've downloaded much
music, and much software. I wouldn't have bought any of it. I can say
I'm not costing anyone any money.
In two or three cases, I expect to go and find what I've downloaded and
buy it, and without Kazaa I wouldn't have done so. I can even say
Kazaa has made money for some of the people who produced what I've
downloaded. It doesn't have anything to do with it at all. Someone
produced some stuff for money, I obtained it without paying for it and
without the consent of those who own the rights to it.
Who knows? Maybe if I took a Mustang for a few weeks, I'd buy one of
those. It's no justification. It's no justification, even if I think
Mustangs are overpriced, or badly distributed.
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gull
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response 71 of 154:
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May 7 20:44 UTC 2003 |
I'm not saying it justifies it, but that the stubbornness of the record
companies in sticking to an outmoded way of distributing music is part of
the problem. I'm genuinely frustrated that I have to resort to pirating
music because the record labels won't sell me some of what I want. Trying
to make a profit off inetellectual property is one thing, but hoarding it
and refusing to produce legitimate copies is another.
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anderyn
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response 72 of 154:
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May 7 21:11 UTC 2003 |
The problem is that I can buy music, and do. But what happens when I only want
one song? If they still sold singles, I would buy those. I have piles of 45
records because I only wanted one song. I even have some cd/cassette singles
in my collection because I wanted one song. But why should I buy a whole Tina
Turner album just to get her version of "We don't need another hero" (which
is unavailable, actually, on any of the albums I've seen for sale, and that's
another problem... if the record company doesn't HAVE the album in print, even
if I wanted to buy it, how can I find a copy?)
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anderyn
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response 73 of 154:
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May 7 21:14 UTC 2003 |
So while I can't actually download songs (my computer at work, which has the
T1 connection, is firewalled so it's impossible to do that/my home computer
is far far too slow to make it viable), I would LIKE to.
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jmsaul
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response 74 of 154:
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May 7 21:22 UTC 2003 |
Part of the problem is that it's very easy to justify illegal copying, when
the people you're hurting are really really big companies that sell a
massively overpriced product and give a tiny percentage of the revenue to the
artists. The record companies suck. They're not sympathetic victims. Hell,
Microsoft is more sympathetic, because at least they treat their employees
well.
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bru
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response 75 of 154:
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May 8 01:40 UTC 2003 |
Technology changes, and the music industry needs to change with it. I would
also think some individual artists would start selling their music online.
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jmsaul
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response 76 of 154:
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May 8 01:50 UTC 2003 |
They have been, actually.
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jazz
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response 77 of 154:
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May 8 03:18 UTC 2003 |
... or giving it away, which they do too. In fact, several smaller
bands that I know of have given away all of their recorded material for
free, and some bigger artists have made internet-only albums which are also
free.
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anderyn
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response 78 of 154:
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May 8 16:15 UTC 2003 |
I have gotten artist-only things online (Dougie Maclean had some neat
recordings of in-concert songs, but only did it the once, as far as I know),
and of course, mp3.com has some nice things too.
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otaking
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response 79 of 154:
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May 8 21:54 UTC 2003 |
Re #72: Twila, try getting a copy of the Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
soundtrack. It has Tina's version of the song, plus some other song she did
for the movie.
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tod
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response 80 of 154:
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May 8 21:56 UTC 2003 |
This response has been erased.
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dbratman
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response 81 of 154:
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May 10 17:05 UTC 2003 |
Concerning the justification of illegal copying - long before the
filesharing wars ever came up, I would photocopy entire books that I
wanted but were out of print and unavailable used at other than
extortionist prices, and considered myself fully justified in doing so,
especially as I have always replaced them with legitimate copies if
they've come back into print.
Concerning the proposition that absence of copyright protection
is "communist", it's been pointed out that perpetual copyright laws
make the folk process illegal.
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krj
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response 82 of 154:
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May 11 05:29 UTC 2003 |
And folk music and communism are intimately related: the Weavers'
blacklisting, the refusal of Republican administrations to allow
Dick Gaughan into the USA, the founding of Topic Records as an outreach
operation of the British Communist Party.
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bru
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response 83 of 154:
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May 11 23:38 UTC 2003 |
why blame republicans and not democrats?
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jaklumen
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response 84 of 154:
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May 12 00:25 UTC 2003 |
I probably blame them about equally. Happy?
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krj
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response 85 of 154:
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May 12 03:24 UTC 2003 |
Bruce: Dick Gaughan was allowed into the US under the Carter and Clinton
administrations; I saw him on tours in those years. He was not allowed
in during the Reagan and Bush I years, and right now it looks like
the Bush II administration doesn't want him in either. Gaughan is
up front about his Communist political beliefs.
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krj
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response 86 of 154:
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May 12 03:43 UTC 2003 |
(I realize I should elaborate further for many of our readers.
Dick Gaughan, mentioned in resp:83 & resp:85, is Scotland's finest
man with a guitar, an active folk music performer for about 30 years.
Gaughan's own comment on his barring from the US during the Reagan-Bush
years: "The only time I'm a danger to America is when I forget what
side of the road to drive on!")
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anderyn
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response 87 of 154:
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May 12 14:06 UTC 2003 |
I thought we had seen him during Bush II's presidency? (Gaughan, that is.)
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