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marcvh
response 63 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 21:14 UTC 2006

I'll freely acknowledge it was a cheap shot, but the setup was just way
too obvious to ignore.

Churches face zoning headaches all the time here in the US.  A typical
case would be a group wanting to build a mega-church in a semi-rural
area near denser suburbs, but the county fighting the effort because it
doesn't meet the development guidelines, or because the roads and sewer
system and other infrastructure in the area is insufficient to handle
the load, or some other reason.  Some are quick to cry religious
discrimination when this happens.

It's hardly surprising that something similar could happen in Canada,
and it doesn't constitute terribly compelling evidence that Canadian
society oppresses Jews.  As far as Jewish population ratios go Canada
is roughly tied with Russia and France for 3rd place.
jep
response 64 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 21:40 UTC 2006

re resp:50: You write as if gerrymandering is something new.  Seats for 
the House of Representatives have been as fixed as possible for longer 
than you or I have been around.  Changes in the majority are rare but 
still possible, and it is possible there will be substantial changes 
this year.
scholar
response 65 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 23:14 UTC 2006

Re. 47:  That's NOT your ethnicity.
mcnally
response 66 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 23:29 UTC 2006

 re #64:  
 > You write as if gerrymandering is something new.

 No, actually, I don't.  I think it's clear from my response that
 the process has been going on for years and years, through many
 election cycles.

 All I meant to express through #50 is that the realities of our
 current districting make it very unlikely that anything less than
 a colossal shift in public opinion will much alter the current
 makeup of the House.
jep
response 67 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 23:36 UTC 2006

Oh.  Well, I agree with that.  I think it's possible such a shift is 
occurring, though.
tod
response 68 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 23:41 UTC 2006

re #45
 I'm a black woman, tod.  I can hardly separate the two.  Having said
 that, no, I'd have less equality in Europe, save perhaps the U.K.
From a demographic standpoint, I see what you're saying.  A black woman in
this country tends to get the least benefits in the job force due to human
trash chauvanist bigots.  From a personal perspective though, I see a
discernible difference between race and gender.  I'm not so sure that you
could find the same sort of inequality in all of Europe compared to the USA,
though.  I think in Europe, there are other distinctions which cause bigger
problems like classism, religion, political leanings...and well...immigration
status.  I was only curious about your opinion from the gender aspect, though.
Where in Europe have you been?

re #42
 I'd much rather be Jewish in the US than anywhere else in the world
 other than Israel.
I've been to several countries in Eastern Europe where being a Jew is less
of a big deal than in the USA.  Of course, I'm not talking about places like
Germany where they tax you just for declaring you have any faith.  Your story
of Canada sounds more about government beauracracy than it does racism.
naftee
response 69 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 00:40 UTC 2006

Canada's got lotsa government beaurocracy.  Quebec's got the most.  Yessir.
richard
response 70 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 01:09 UTC 2006

I think the Democrats have a chance to recapture one of the bodies of 
Congress this year.  This illegal wiretapping and the payola and 
corrupting scandals are all adding up to a clear picture of gop 
politicians as being often on the take and being willing to subert the 
law.

I also think the Democrats will regain the White House in 2008.  Bush 
will drown in the endless war in Iraq and all the dead bodies, and the 
corruption and payola scandals and the soaring defecit.  Eight years 
will be more than enough for most people to realize the Bush 
Administration has been a big failure/mistake, and the easiest way to 
rectify a mistake is to put the predecessors back in power.  Yes, we 
will have the first ever woman president, as Hillary Clinton is all but 
certain to be the nominee and can clearly make that message that the 
world was better eight years ago.
mcnally
response 71 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 01:19 UTC 2006

 If Richard is convinced that the scandals currently plaguing the GOP
 will translate into results in the next election, I'll offer him a 
 wager:   I predict that Tom DeLay will be re-elected to Congress in
 the coming election.  The wager I propose is:  if DeLay is re-elected,
 Richard donates $20 to Grex; if DeLay runs and is defeated I donate
 the $20, and the wager is called off if DeLay is ineligible or for
 some other reason does not run in the 2006 election.
rcurl
response 72 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 01:24 UTC 2006

You aren't willing to take an even bet based just on whether DeLay gets
another term or not?
mcnally
response 73 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 02:12 UTC 2006

 I'm proposing an even-money bet predicated on the requirement that DeLay
 runs in the election.  If you don't like the wager, propose another.

 Anyway, since you bring it up, I'm willing to be "generous" with the wager
 terms because it's such a sucker bet anyway.  If Richard really wants to
 participate we can make the terms of the wager that DeLay is returned to
 (Congressional) office (not his leadership post) in 2006.  That allows
 for him to be hit by a bus, assassinated by terrorists, even for him to
 experience a genuine religious epiphany (as opposed to the phony, morally
 reprehensible and compassionless brand of pseudo-Christianity he's been
 peddling successfully for years) and join a cloistered monastic order
 somewhere.  Because I'm pretty sure that DeLay's re-election in 2006 is
 a safe bet.  Who's got $20 that says otherwise?
richard
response 74 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 02:15 UTC 2006

mcnally thats a sucker's bet, because tom delay is from a VERY 
conservative district.  Tom Delay could get re-elected in his district, 
if he was running as the republican, even if he was up on murder 
charges.
mcnally
response 75 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 02:43 UTC 2006

 I never pretended it wasn't a sucker bet, in fact I say exactly that
 in #73.  My point is that despite widespread dissatisfaction with 
 current officeholders in the legislative and executive branches that
 I nevertheless expect very little to change as a result of the 2006
 Congressional elections.  The wager offer is a way of driving that
 point home and I'm not at all surprised that you wouldn't want to take
 me up on the offer.

 Things are not going to change unless people get a whole lot angrier
 than they are now, and even then the change will not be revolutionary.
richard
response 76 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 03:03 UTC 2006

re #75 things will change just as they did in 1994.  That was the "anti-
incumbent" bias sprang up, and this wellspring of anger chased the 
democrats out of control of the House for the first time in forty 
years.  It happened in '94, it could happen again.  If enough young 
americans die overseas and we are losing the war, if there is 
corruption scandal upon corruption scandal, if gas prices keep going 
through the roof and the defecit keeps skyrocketing and we have another 
recession.  People WILL get angry.  Only this time the GOP is in power, 
they are the ones in the position to be blamed, and they will be the 
ones thrown out.
richard
response 77 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 03:04 UTC 2006

And yes there will still be GOP bastions like Delay's Texas heartland, 
but in middle america, michigan, ohio, missouri, florida, the midwest, 
the rockies, those are centerist regions fully capable of voting either 
way the wind is blowing.
mcnally
response 78 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 06:30 UTC 2006

 No, you don't get it.  Michigan, as a state, might be damn close to
 a 50/50 split, but the congressional districts are almost all drawn
 so that they're 60/40 or 65/35.  It'd take a 30 point swing to change
 the party representing one of the latter districts.  The liberal and
 conservative voters in each state aren't distributed evenly, they're
 grouped, somewhat, into more and less affluent areas, more urban or
 more rural, older vs. newer, etc..  And while districts have always
 been drawn to benefit the party in power in the past several redrawing
 cycles the parties have gotten a great deal better at it.
klg
response 79 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 11:56 UTC 2006

Blatant anti-semitism is often later excused as "cheap shots."

First, RW is certain of Democratic electoral victories, then in his 
next response he uses up his quota of "if"s for the next 3 years?  
Which is it, oh the great prognosticator??  Are you still sure Howard 
Dean will take the White House in '04?
happyboy
response 80 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 19:11 UTC 2006

oh anne, it's cute when you blabber and your
adam's apple starts bobbin!
bhelliom
response 81 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 07:28 UTC 2006

resp:61 - You said you were jewish, which I consider to be a minority
group.  I've said this already.  Quit being so obtuse.
tod
response 82 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 07:56 UTC 2006

Twenex's new Yiddish nickname is Obtusawitz
naftee
response 83 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 04:24 UTC 2006

I'll still call him a gay knob
bhelliom
response 84 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 15:24 UTC 2006

resp:68 - I'm basing my findings on the experiences of other African
Americans studying in Europe, as well as research on the status of
minorities in European countries.  As for the case of my friends, it
didn't matter that they had a facility with the language of the coutry
in which they were based.  On a few occassions, they were told that they
would not be served at a restaurant they would select for a meal.  I
have no problem with traveling to Europe and finding out for myself, I
just feel that I'd have less of a chance making something of myself
across the pond than I would here.
bhelliom
response 85 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 15:28 UTC 2006

'Blatant anti-semitism is often later excused as "cheap shots."'

Whose is that in response to, klg?  I'm trying to find somehting from
recent user posts, and I can't find anything.
slynne
response 86 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 17:00 UTC 2006

re: racism in Europe. It probably depends on the country too. I have
some African American friends who went to Germany with me and they found
that people were shocked to see them because there simply were not *any*
black people where we were (Hamburg). I dont think anyone outright
treated them badly but people stared a lot. I have had African American
friends describe similar experiences in Sweden and Denmark. 

In countries like France and England where there are a lot of black
immigrants, things might be different. 
twenex
response 87 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 17:04 UTC 2006

I suspect an African American would be shunned these days in Europe not for
being African, but for being American.
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