response 62 of 116:

Aug 27 22:30 UTC 2003

RE# 54

Here's another "half assed lesson".
 
russ assumed that the gen. verse meant that you don't have life until 
you breath(pneuma). The verse actually means that he was given 
a "spirit". In 90% of the places pneuma is used in scripture you can 
substitute the word "spirit"
 I think that shatters the use of this verse for using breathing as the 
starting point for the begining of life.

as for #59
I like jep's point. The right of the "fetus" (as you call it)was taken 
away by roe v wade.

#re 61
Quite the opposite...it is your baby killing legislature that has done 
this country damage.

response 64 of 116:

Aug 28 03:16 UTC 2003

The stage blade wrote:

>The verse actually means that he was given a "spirit". In 90% of the
>places pneuma is used in scripture you can substitute the word "spirit"

And in most of the places you write liquor you can substitute the
word "spirits".  You keep avoiding the issue:  if the two were not
synonymous to the apostles, why'd they use the same word?  (Heck,
in the KJV "knowledge" means screwing.  I think I "know" your mind...)

>Quite the opposite...it is your baby killing legislature that has done 
>this country damage.

The change was wrought by the judiciary; the federal legislature is
reactionary, trying to return to the status quo ante.  And thanks for
proving my point about your intellect or lack thereof.

response 66 of 116:

Aug 28 19:37 UTC 2003

russ...I will end this absurd notion of yours with one statement

The Holy Spirit is called the "pneumas"

Do you think that means Holy "breath"?

 The action that God took in creating Adam was imparting the "spirit of 
life"
 
You are mislead by the english translation. THAT IS THE POINT.
You cannot use that verse to justify your position on when life begins.
THAT IS THE POINT

"And thanks for
proving my point about your intellect or lack thereof."

WHAT...can't you even READ? You are in  dire need of knowledge.

response 68 of 116:

Aug 28 20:05 UTC 2003

        Back in the 50's, my mom had a pregnancy that ending with
a stillborn.  Never took a breath.  Never named, No funeral, no
burial, no Catholic ceremony.  Just one that did not make it.
        I think the attitude of the church has changed.

response 70 of 116:

Aug 28 20:32 UTC 2003

Stop speaking that language.

response 72 of 116:

Aug 28 22:45 UTC 2003

Yeah.

response 74 of 116:

Aug 30 07:39 UTC 2003

"We the People" would have been understood to be in the context of
"Endowed by Creator" in the first place and not at all separate from it.

How do those who oppose tacking extra penalty on crimes that result in
the death of a fetus feel about "hate crimes" which tack on extra
penalty for crimes involving those victims deemed worthy of such?

response 76 of 116:

Aug 30 20:55 UTC 2003

It always seemed like shooting oneself in the foot to me: murder for 
so-called murder, if that was the rationale.

response 78 of 116:

Aug 31 22:52 UTC 2003

And yet such an ironic comparison: these are the nuts that pretty much 
think that those 'towel-heads' should convert to Jeez-us or die.
(Sorry, I couldn't hold back the disdain there.)

response 80 of 116:

Sep 1 01:19 UTC 2003

re77:  by giving them something to live for.

like a bigmac 'n fries!

response 82 of 116:

Sep 2 16:36 UTC 2003

I agree.  I even think it is wrong to offer more severe sentences to those
who kill police.  In my opinion, police are no more important than anyone
else.  Our job isn't even more dangerous than some others out there.

And you generally have to hate someone to murder them.

response 84 of 116:

Sep 2 19:36 UTC 2003

most officers never have to drawa gun and shoot in the line of duty.  Most
psychological damage to officers comes from having to deal with the after
effects of a crime on the survivors.  alcoholism only exacerbates the problem.

Stress is not what we are dealing with here.  WE are dealiing with the value
of a human life.   No life is more omportant than any other life, adn the
punishment should be the same under the same circumstances.

response 86 of 116:

Sep 3 00:33 UTC 2003

All crime attacks the basic infrasturcture of society.  Why is the clerk at
the Holiday Inn with three kids and a husband worth less than the 50 year old
divorced alcoholic cop?

She isn't.
Both deserve justice.

Now, who should decide what justice is?  Should it not be the same as what
they committed?  If they killed someone, then death.  OR, at the behest of
the family that lost the loved one, life in prison.