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jep
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response 61 of 122:
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Dec 14 01:34 UTC 2003 |
re resp:58: Do you know how long we went between *mentions* of
NextGrex in the coop conference? We went from July to October, when I
brought up the subject again. And the mentions in June and July
weren't substantive, as I recall them.
Constructive? I don't have any attaboys, no.
I think we should listen more to cross, if he'll come back to the
staff at all. I think we need to go with stock Unix, not customized
code only a couple of people can administer -- because those couple of
people haven't been available for a while.
I think Grex shouldn't be allowed to wither on the vine because of
overdependence on people who aren't interested in it any more.
Do *you* have *anything* to contribute? Or just "Shut up, jep"?
re 59-60: I suspect it's a matter of definition of "want to
participate".
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glenda
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response 62 of 122:
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Dec 14 03:12 UTC 2003 |
I thought that there is on going stuff about NextGrex in the Garage cf, not
here.
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jep
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response 63 of 122:
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Dec 14 04:04 UTC 2003 |
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jep
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response 64 of 122:
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Dec 14 04:05 UTC 2003 |
Oops.
Through May, there was extensive discussion of everything happening
with NextGrex here in coop. Then it abruptly stopped.
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naftee
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response 65 of 122:
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Dec 14 04:53 UTC 2003 |
BOOM
NextGreX
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willcome
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response 66 of 122:
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Dec 14 06:20 UTC 2003 |
Did you boom NextGreX?
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gull
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response 67 of 122:
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Dec 14 16:07 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:61: I didn't ask for "attaboys". I asked for constructive
comments, i.e. ones that include suggestions for how to move forward.
"That damn volunteer staff is lazy" seems to be your only comment so
far, and it's not constructive or helpful.
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davel
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response 68 of 122:
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Dec 14 18:53 UTC 2003 |
And John, as I said, my objection to it is that you keep saying it, over &
over & over. I guess what David (gull) just said is relevant, though; if you
were offering constructive suggestions or offering to help along with this
it wouldn't sound so much like carping. (I offer as an example cross, who
has complained quite a bit about the rate of progress from time to time, but
who's been involved & (AFAICS) quite helpful.
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cross
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response 69 of 122:
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Dec 14 21:17 UTC 2003 |
Regarding #60; Fair enough, Joe; can you help me spread the word? The
critical people to get hold of right now are Jan and Valerie, since the
hardware is physically in their possession.
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gelinas
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response 70 of 122:
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Dec 15 03:49 UTC 2003 |
I'll see what I can do.
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jep
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response 71 of 122:
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Dec 15 05:47 UTC 2003 |
I guess I disagree with davel and gull in that I think there are valid
reasons to complain. Maybe you fellows will come up with a schedule
under which I may complain again with your permission? I inquired in
October and was told "wait a month". I waited two months before
complaining.
I don't have the time or expertise needed to make NextGrex. That is
why I never said I'd do it.
Dan Cross has stated the project can be simplified to the point where
any Unix system administrator could understand it, instead of only one
person, by eliminating weird custom password code and suchlike. I
endorse that concept. Grex will be a lot more secure with standard
Unix software than it ever will when relying on one person.
While I don't have the expertise to build NextGrex, I do have Unix
knowledge and ability which could conceivably help. I was on the
staff of M-Net for several years. I am the Unix root at work on some
machines, though for maintenance purposes only. I'm the go-to guy in
customer support for Unix information. I'm willing to help out Grex
and/or NextGrex where I can. I won't be designing any software but
there are times when I could log in and test things, or clean up after
busier and more expert people, etc. I'm pretty good at
documentation. I don't expect the staff to take me up on it, but if
they do, I'll help out where I can.
If it counts at all toward your definition of "helping", davel, I also
contributed money to the new hardware project a year ago. I really
don't regard myself as destructively jeering.
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mary
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response 72 of 122:
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Dec 15 22:51 UTC 2003 |
I'd like to explain, in a bit more detail, why I brought this up in the
first place.
Jobs for programmers are tight right now. Or so I've heard, right here on
Grex, from programmers. I think it was Jan who said he's been forced to
take work at a much reduced fee, to get the contract. That means he's
working more hours to make the same income to meet his bills. Yuck.
I don't think it's just Jan that's been caught in this squeeze. I think
it's a lot of our volunteer staff. Then you throw in the usual family
obligations that all of us have, some more than others, and before you
know it, Grex projects are on the back burner. In the past our staff has
been very generous with their time. I think they'll be generous again,
when they're able.
So maybe it is both practical and realistic to think of jump starting the
project by paying for the next few hours of work. And that's all it would
be, the next few hours. Just enough to get past this bottleneck. Then
(cross fingers) maybe voluteers with more time could pickup the slack.
But we'll have to see how that goes. But any progress right now would be
an upper for the whole project.
I hope it works that Dan can get things going before he leaves. But, if
not, I'd like this to be considered.
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cross
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response 73 of 122:
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Dec 15 23:02 UTC 2003 |
I don't think it's very practical. It's a noble gesture, to be sure, but
realistically grex isn't going to be able to afford much time from anyone.
What I think is realistic, and necessary, is to get an operating system
loaded onto the hardware we have that's *stable* and get the hardware into
the pumpkin. After that, most of the work with getting nextgrex running
is really just turning the crank.
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bhoward
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response 74 of 122:
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Dec 15 23:35 UTC 2003 |
I believe there are grexers willing and capable of helping finish off the
configuration of nextgrex if we can simply get it on line and accessable
via the net. I'm happy to help out, I believe others have made the same
offer.
If Dan can help with the first part, I think amongst the lot of us,
we can sort out the rest.
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jp2
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response 75 of 122:
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Dec 16 00:00 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 76 of 122:
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Dec 16 00:24 UTC 2003 |
I guess the job market isn't tight where jp2 is. ;>
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jp2
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response 77 of 122:
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Dec 16 00:40 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 78 of 122:
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Dec 16 00:46 UTC 2003 |
Re 75> Would it have been worth the fie bucks?
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jp2
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response 79 of 122:
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Dec 16 01:09 UTC 2003 |
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cross
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response 80 of 122:
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Dec 16 04:07 UTC 2003 |
(What he doesn't mention is that he was paying five dollars, not receiving.)
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naftee
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response 81 of 122:
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Dec 16 04:35 UTC 2003 |
fie those dollars.
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jp2
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response 82 of 122:
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Dec 16 11:09 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 83 of 122:
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Dec 16 17:51 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 84 of 122:
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Dec 16 17:54 UTC 2003 |
RE 80> I'm not sure I feel so good anymore.
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glenda
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response 85 of 122:
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Dec 16 18:40 UTC 2003 |
The real sad thing in all of this is that NextGrex was originally supposed
to come to our house for set up, with STeve and Marcus working on it and them
guiding me through most of the work. This was going to help me out with my
education in Computer Science, to have yet another person familiar with the
set up, to see if I could handle it and therefore set me up as another staff
member to do regular backups, etc. I even cleared space for it to be worked
on. Then for some reason un-named person(s) felt that the approach that STeve
and Marcus planned for getting it up and running was going to take too long
and took it off on the other track.
I was gung ho on doing this. I was looking forward to working with them and
furthering my education. I want NextGrex as much as everyone else and would
have been here, onsite so to speak, to goad STeve and Marcus into getting it
done. Chances are we would have been up and running a while ago.
STeve felt that after all the work he did to find the compents and reasonable
prices for them and getting everything ordered, and then having it pulled away
saying that the plan he and Marcus came up with was too conservative was a
slap in the face. I had to do a lot of fast talking to stop him from pulling
away from Grex completely. He has still been working on things, but is less
willing to put family and work life on hold than he was before. And I really
can't blame him for feeling that way. Grex has been a time sink for him ever
since they started about the concept of Grex. It has taken a lot of his time
away from his family. It has occasionally taken time away from work. We have
fought about Grex coming first more times than I can count. He has been proud
of being a part of Grex. Don't blame him or Marcus for being hold ups in
getting NextGrex up and running.
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