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Grex > Coop13 > #101: Cyberspace Communications finances for January 2004 | |
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scott
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response 60 of 155:
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Feb 12 20:10 UTC 2004 |
Lynne, when you get rude tech support calls are you allowed to be as rude in
return?
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albaugh
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response 61 of 155:
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Feb 12 20:29 UTC 2004 |
I guess I don't think there is anything that could - or should - be done
to / with grex that would retain the people who say they are leaving due to
the item killing kaper and its aftermath.
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slynne
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response 62 of 155:
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Feb 12 20:39 UTC 2004 |
resp:60 - nope. And as it turns out, since they dont bother me, I find
it very easy to be pleasant. I am also very very good at directing
conversations in the way I want them to go. In my case at work, I can
have people laughing by the end of the call.
But, I have to admit that the main reason I am not rude back to those
people is because my employer wouldnt like it and my employer *pays*
me.
resp:61 - I have to disagree. While I dont know who is leaving, I'll
bet it is some of our more interesting people.
Just so you all know, I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting
an online community filled mostly with people who kind of know you and
who are willing to be there to support you. I also understand that
people want an open community where folks can wander in and be made to
feel welcome. The problem though, is that if you have an open system,
folks you might not want to feel welcome will come in too.
If that part of it really bothers people, they very well may want to
leave. I like the open system feel of this place, personally. I also
like the sense of community. In fact, it means so much to me that I am
not willing to leave here right now because doing so would just harm
the community.
I hope that anyone else who values that sense of community tries to
stick it out with me. Ignore the folks who bother you. Use a twit
filter if you must. But please please keep contributing here because
*being here* is more important than even sending in money. (although
naturally, I hope people will continue to be willing to do that too)
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albaugh
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response 63 of 155:
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Feb 12 20:44 UTC 2004 |
Disagree, then. Just what *is* it you think could / should be done to / with
grex to retain / bring back those people? Kick out all the "trouble makers".
Issue rose colored glasses?
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slynne
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response 64 of 155:
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Feb 12 20:50 UTC 2004 |
I dont know. I would kind of like people to learn how to
ignore "trouble makers". I would like people to realize that *they* are
valuable to grex. Not because of any potential money they might send it
either. Because each person here contributes something to someone. I
would like to convince people to ignore the people whom they dont think
contribute and focus on everyone else. I admit too that this is all a
totally selfish desire of mine. I want people to stay because it makes
my grex experience better.
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scott
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response 65 of 155:
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Feb 12 20:53 UTC 2004 |
Re 62: I'd suggest that you've gotten used to an unnatural and unhealthy type
of social interaction. :(
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tod
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response 66 of 155:
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Feb 12 21:27 UTC 2004 |
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slynne
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response 67 of 155:
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Feb 12 21:28 UTC 2004 |
resp:65 Yes! That is just it. I have learned how to deal with unhealthy
types of social interaction. It's a skill. And one I happen to like
because it allows me to take more social risks than I might otherwise.
I have my safe places where all the social interaction is safe and
healthy and wonderful and all of that. I see grex as being more public
than that. I share a lot here but I dont share everything because this
is a place where jerks can come in. HOwever, I have met some of my
closest friends online. People with whom I can have safe private
conversations with. People I can share my deepest secrets and pain
with. People I wouldnt have in my life if m-net/grex were closed
systems. Those people are so important to me that I think it is worth
ignoring a few jerks sometimes in order to keep the system open so some
other really great person can come strolling into my life.
You cant have the safe and secure utopia community *and* have an open
system. You can have a pretty darn good community though. This is
especially so if people are committed to it. This is what grex has
right now and hopefully will continue to have.
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tod
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response 68 of 155:
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Feb 12 21:40 UTC 2004 |
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slynne
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response 69 of 155:
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Feb 12 21:59 UTC 2004 |
I dont like the idea of other people's words having been deleted
without their permission. However, I dont see it happening again in the
near future and frankly, I dont think anyone's words that were deleted
are anything I will miss.
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tod
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response 70 of 155:
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Feb 12 22:11 UTC 2004 |
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iggy
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response 71 of 155:
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Feb 12 22:37 UTC 2004 |
the notion of "kicking out the trouble makers" is pretty risky because
just whose definition do you use? Who would speak for all of grex and
be the one to point fingers? Before you know it, someone will
be pointing at YOU.
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naftee
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response 72 of 155:
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Feb 12 23:08 UTC 2004 |
Hey, the GreX public did a pretty god job of kicking out two troublemakers:
jep and valerie.
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tod
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response 73 of 155:
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Feb 13 00:33 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 74 of 155:
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Feb 13 01:08 UTC 2004 |
Gawd; better call in some more m-netters to fill in the empty seats!
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jmsaul
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response 75 of 155:
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Feb 13 01:17 UTC 2004 |
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jp2
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response 76 of 155:
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Feb 13 02:09 UTC 2004 |
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rational
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response 77 of 155:
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Feb 13 02:12 UTC 2004 |
:)
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jmsaul
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response 78 of 155:
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Feb 13 02:28 UTC 2004 |
(Fixed dumb typo)
In all of the verbiage and nastiness on both sides, Lynne's said one of the
most valuable things I've ever read about BBSing:
I have learned how to deal with unhealthy
types of social interaction. It's a skill. And one I happen to like
because it allows me to take more social risks than I might otherwise.
You have four choices:
1. Leave
2. Close the BBS to "undesirables"
3. React to undesirable behavior with stress and hostility
4. Learn to deal with unhealthy types of social interaction in a healthy
manner
When I've said in the past that it's best to ignore system twits, I'm not
saying that you should learn to like them. They're going to be a part of
Grex unless you shut the doors. It's unavoidable -- you may manage to
teach or bully or scold some into changing their behavior, but there will
always be more. It's up to you whether you continue to allow their
presence to stress you out, or learn to handle them in a healthier way.
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slynne
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response 79 of 155:
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Feb 13 03:56 UTC 2004 |
Wow. Thanks Joe. I agree with everything you have said in resp:78
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happyboy
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response 80 of 155:
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Feb 13 07:33 UTC 2004 |
this discussion has gone on longer than is comfortable for me.
i hope i don't get a tummyache because of it.
:(
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cmcgee
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response 81 of 155:
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Feb 13 12:50 UTC 2004 |
Go Joe! Go Lynne! Thanks for articulating why I'm staying. I too wish I
could "kick out" the people I perceive as "ruining" Grex. But I value Grex
more than I dislike them. And I want other people to realize that there are
quite a few of us who want to be in a community where healthy interactions
are the -norm-.
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iggy
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response 82 of 155:
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Feb 13 14:29 UTC 2004 |
huh.. i didn't get the same thing out of slynne and jmsaul that
cmcgee appeared to. i thought they were saying it is much healthier
to learn to deal with people rather than to kick everyone out so you can
have a private sanctuary.
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jp2
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response 83 of 155:
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Feb 13 14:41 UTC 2004 |
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remmers
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response 84 of 155:
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Feb 13 16:51 UTC 2004 |
I didn't read cmcgee's "I too" as referring to slynne and jmsaul.
And *I too* applaud what they said. :)
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