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keesan
response 60 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 05:01 UTC 1999

I have not checked my home answering machne yet today and will call the
Charities place again if no response from them.  Why would someone insist that
a non-profit had to send paper receipts when the IRS does not require them
for amounts under $250?  'Experts' are often wrong or make wrong assumptions.
I may also check the New Center as suggested.  Or call the IRS.
rcurl
response 61 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 05:35 UTC 1999

You have to substantiate any donations of any size, and receipts are a good
way to do that. That $250 point is for when the statement from the donee
must specify particular information beyond just a receipt. We (MKC) just
include the necessary boilerplate in our standard acknowledgement statement
for any size donation - which also gives a chance to send a nice "thank
you", and encourage future donations. 
aruba
response 62 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 07:15 UTC 1999

Re #60: Sindi, all I can tell you about Ms. Dodea's opinions is to read coop
item 18, response 18.
janc
response 63 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 00:19 UTC 1999

I was at the meeting with Ms. Dodea.  She was about as adamant on the
"you must send paper receipts" issue as it is possible to be while
remaining seated.

When I'm doing my taxes, I want to have a receipt for anything I deduct.
I think Rane's reading of the $250 rule is a more accurate reflection of
IRS policy.  You have to be able to substantiate all deductions.

I think the policy as it stands is good, and absolutely standard
practice.  I suppose we could consider a motion to raise the level from
$75 to something higher, but I don't really see the point.
janc
response 64 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 00:26 UTC 1999

On auction donations:  Yes, our receipt should just say, "thank you for
donating the following items...".  It should not valuate them.  That is
the donor's job, not ours.

However, I consider it perfectly OK for a donor to ask us for a summary
of what his donations sold for.  If he wanted it in writing, we would
respond with a letter, separate from the reciept, saying, "the items you
donated sold for $XXX".  If the donor wanted to use this value for his
valuation of the objects donated, that might not be a bad choice.  If
the IRS questioned his valuation, he'd have our letter to back him up. 
Of course, objects might sell for more or less than their value in an
auction, so this isn't always the best policy for the donor, but it is a
plausible one and we should be perfectly willing to be helpful.
devnull
response 65 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 02:09 UTC 1999

Can someone point to something that the IRS has published that requires
receipts for anything under $250?
keesan
response 66 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 18:41 UTC 1999

I will attempt to call the IRS and get the rules on whether a nonprofit is
absolutely required to send out a piece of paper to everyone who donates. 
If yes, the $75 rule makes no sense.  If no, it makes no sense.  Either send
to everyone whether or not they ask you not to and refuse to donate if you
do, or send only to people who request them.  Most people do not even itemize,
let alone donate over $249.  It may take a while to get through to the IRS
at this time of year.  More by May 1 if not sooner.  Maybe I can find
something online about receipts and nonprofits.
aruba
response 67 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 18:43 UTC 1999

Re #64:  I was planning on putting the value items sold for on Tim's receipt,
since he requested it, and adding a few sentences like this:

These items were donated to Cyberspace Communications and sold at auction. 
The prices listed are the amounts for which they were sold.  It is up to
the donor to decide the fair market value of the items for purposes of
income tax deduction.

Rane & Jan, do you think that would be all right, or do we need to put
the prices in a separate letter?
keesan
response 68 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 19:11 UTC 1999

I emailed the IRS and submitted a 'general question' about whether a 501(c)3
is required to mail out pieces of paper for each donation.  I mentioned that
email receipts are always sent out, and that only one donor donated over $249,
and most donors do not itemize on their federal taxes.
rcurl
response 69 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 20:35 UTC 1999

Of course a non-profit is not *required* to mail receipts. The law only
requires documentation if a person wishes to declare a donation as
deductible. However non-profits have limited resources and time, and time
wasted determining whether someone wants a receipt or not is time wasted.
Do you want to increase the time-wasting of a volunteer non-profit?

1040 recordkeeping instructions are on pages A4 and A5. It says "keep
cancelled checks, receipts, or other reliable written records showing the
name of the organization and the date and amount given" for gifts of cash,
and "keep a receipt or written statement...that shows the organization's
name and address, the date and location of the gift, and a description of
the property". These apply ONLY if you wish to deduct.  There are
additional rules to make gifts deductible for gifts over $250, $500, and
$5,000. 

They IRS does not seem to have caught up to whether an e-mail receipt is a
written record for this purpose (it surely is both written and a record).
The information that has to be given is clearly stated, so I see no reason
that an e-mail receipt would not be OK. Nothing is said about receipts or
statements being "signed". 


keesan
response 70 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 23:46 UTC 1999

SInce only 4 people requested receipts from Mark, it would seem to be a lot
less waste of his time to send out receipts to only people who request them
instead of to 23 people (five hours, by his count).  Rane, how do you know
that receipts are not required for the nonprofit?  
        I would not necessarily trust the woman who insisted that they are
essential.  I lent money to another nonprofit, which was told by its lawyer
who specialized in nonprofits (he said) that they absolutely had to pay me
interest on the loan, and if they did not, I would still have to pay income
tax on the imputed interest.  This sounded fishy to me, so I called the IRS
and they said of course not, loans to nonprofits did not have imputed
interest.  So I would not go by what someone says even if they are adamant,
without some sort of written proof (some govt. document about nonprofits nad
receipts) or at least the name of the IRS advisor giving me the info.
And probably a written statement from them as well.

The library accepts my donated books but has never yet insisted on giving me
a receipt.  I have to ask for them, I don't think they even routinely offer.
Usually I wait until the end of the year, after keeping my own count, and fill
in the amount myself.  Same for Kiwanis (the year I itemized).  
devnull
response 71 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 23:56 UTC 1999

Am I one of the four who wanted a receipt?  (I actually specified that I
wanted whatever I need to take a deduction; now that I've seen the rules
more clearly, I'm happy relying on the canceled check.)

Next time around, I probably won't have any reason to itemize.
keesan
response 72 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 01:14 UTC 1999

Make that three people who think they needed a paper receipt.
rcurl
response 73 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 05:20 UTC 1999

As I said before, paper receipts are sent my most non-profits as public
relations tools, usually including some other information about the
organization and suggesting further donations if possibe (of $10____,
$20____, $50____, $100____, Other____), and along with the message they
send the receipt. (We just donated some old vacuum cleaners to the
PTO Thrift Shop, and they gave us a receipt without our asking saying
what we donated, and including a note that we would have to set "fair
market value" on the items for tax purposes.)
scott
response 74 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 12:05 UTC 1999

I would have requested a receipt, had one not automatically arrived.

It is rather fishy to be counting things without taking into account all
variables, like those people who didn't request because they didn't have to.
davel
response 75 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 12:19 UTC 1999

I suspect that reading & responding to this item has taken more of Mark's time
than sending out a lot of receipts, though I could be wrong.  Think of all
the wasted electrons, too.
aruba
response 76 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 14:16 UTC 1999

My thoughts exactly, Dave.
pfv
response 77 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 15:20 UTC 1999

        Ditto.
rcurl
response 78 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 17:25 UTC 1999

Electrons are conserved, Dave. They do generate more heat than light, but
they are never nicked, scatched or abraided along the way. 
keesan
response 79 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 15:49 UTC 1999

Since the board will reconsider receipts, I made a few more calls.  NEW center
library is not there until 11.  American Lung always sends receipts but they
don't know if it is required.
        Call United Way and talked to Dennis O'Brien of financial and
information services.  (He was interested to hear about grex, has not used
the internet and thought he needed an ISP.  He may call us for a modem and
help signing on to grex.)  He has worked in the non-profit donations field
for 30 years, previously at Child and Family Services and at Cathlic Family
Services.  United Way is the most complicated because people donate not only
by check, but from their pay.  They can use paystubs combined with a pledge
cardd for proof of donating, or cancelled checks if they donate that way. 
United Way gets thousands of donations a year and never mails out a letter
of receipt to anyone donating under $250.  For donors over $250, he had never
heard that the nonprofit is required to mail receipts, but he knows that the
donors need receipts if they itemize on federal taxes, so they automatically
send out receipts to donors of $250 or more.
        Other donors who wish to itemize are only required by the IRS to save
a cancelled check.  DOnors of $250 get a letter stating that they received
no goods or services for their donation, which letter is required if you
itemize, but the organization is not required to send it if you don't ask for
it (They send them anyway).
        He repeated several times that United Way only sends receipts for $250
or more, and that he has never heard of any law requiring any nonprofits to
send receipts for any size donations, they just send them out for large
amounts anyway on the assumption that donors will want the receipts.

I therefore propose that the grex treasurer continue to send out email
receipts for donations of any size, and that these email receipts mention that
a paper receipt is available upon request, but that the IRS accepts cancelled
checks as proof of donations of amounts under $250.
        You may confirm this information with Dennis at the United Way in Ann
Arbor.  He does not know how to join coop conference (yet).

        If the treasurer wants to follow United Way policy and send out a paper
receipt to anyone who donates $250 or over in one year, whether or not they
request it, I will not object.  (BUt I will be sure never to donate $250).

        If anyone wants they can call the NEW center reference librarian after
11 am to cross-check this information.  Dennis O'Brien said that if he was
required to mail everyone who donated a paper receipt, he would have quit the
nonprofit business long ago, and that the IRS made their $250 rule to save
the nonprofits from wasting their donations by spending them on postage and
paper (and the treasurer's time).  He was surprised at our low budget.
rcurl
response 80 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:59 UTC 1999

The above information, apart from United Way's optional practices, has
been set down here by several people. I think you will get the same story
from everyone (or, should!).
aruba
response 81 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 02:03 UTC 1999

Well, no, clearly we didn't get the same story from Ms. Dodea.

That sounds like pretty good info, Sindi, thanks for accumulating it.
rcurl
response 82 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 05:58 UTC 1999

I did say "here by several people". Ms. Dodea isn't here. I sometimes
see "no person is a prophet in their own country" in operation here.
keesan
response 83 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 19:46 UTC 1999

Is it possible to ask Ms. Dodea where she got her information?  Some of the
places I called said they considered it good practice (but certainly not
mandatory) to send receipts for donations, but not for legal reasons, only
for reasons of publicity.  Maybe that is what Ms. Dodea was adamant about?
If she cannot point to any law requiring receipts, must we send them?
aruba
response 84 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 20:35 UTC 1999

You are welcome to call R. Sue Dodea and ask her, Sindi - I'll e-mail you her 
number.
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