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dbratman
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response 6 of 157:
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Jul 25 18:28 UTC 2001 |
resp:4 orinoco - were you addressing me? I know that "Celtic"
and "English" aren't the same! That was my point!! So let me repeat
my question: what's the pigeonhole that's disappeared? If "British"
(which presumably means English + Celtic) has been replaced
by "Celtic", then is English (i.e. non-Celtic British) folk music
disappearing? Or what's the story here?
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micklpkl
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response 7 of 157:
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Jul 26 01:13 UTC 2001 |
I agree that, as a pigeonhole, English(non-Celtic) music is being absorbed
into Celtic. (I believe that's what was asserted in #0) That certainly doesn't
mean that English music is disappearing, only that the marketing category has
expanded to include it. In my experience, it's proven useful having a more
general place to look --- I've discovered several wonderful bands and singers
because of this. Take Fernhill, for example: where does Welsh music fit in
a narrow category? What about a Welsh band with an English singer? I don't
think I would have realised how deeply I enjoy traditional Welsh music, if
I first didn't identify that I like Celtic music.
As for the Kate Rusby, LITTLE LIGHTS is her newest, and I consider it *very*
English, despite being produced by John McCusker. (as an aside, isn't John
from the Border country of Scotland? That could explain why he and Kate mix
so easily.) It's a wonderful collection of songs, a mixture of traditional
folk songs arranged by Kate and John and originals that sound like folk songs.
Oh, and she's kept with her tradition of including a cover of a modern song,
on this CD it's Richard Thompson's "Withered and Died."
As you might be able to tell, I love this CD --- though it's still rather
new in my collection, and thus getting played a lot. All evening, I've been
replaying Rusby's earlier discs, in order to compare. The past couple of times
through LITTLE LIGHTS had left me wondering if there were such *sad*
undertones in the rest of her work. I still can't formulate a definite
opinion. Many of the old folk songs have morose subject matter, so that might
play a part in this. It would be a question better answered by Ms. Rusby
herself --- to what degree the death of Davy Steele influenced the final mood
of this CD. She dedicates the song, "Who Will Sing Me Lullabies" to him in
the liner notes, with the line: "For Davy Steele --- the first man to break
my heart, he was an inspiration to us all." I find it a deeply affecting song,
and I loved it from the first listen. (I am notoriously fond of sad, but
sincere, music)
I'd like to comment more, but I'm not sure my thoughts are coming out clear
enough, yet. I need more listens. :-)
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orinoco
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response 8 of 157:
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Jul 26 03:04 UTC 2001 |
Ah. Misunderstood your question, David. As far as the question you were
_really_ asking goes, I have no idea. :)
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krj
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response 9 of 157:
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Jul 26 06:23 UTC 2001 |
I've been advancing a theory that the world is divided into Kate Rusby
fans and Eliza Carthy fans. (*ahem*) I've bought literally every
album Eliza has released, but the only ones getting any repeat plays
are the Waterson:Carthy albums, where Eliza sings with her parents,
Martin Carthy and Norma Waterson.
Eliza has been getting plenty of buildup, for a folkie, in mainstream
media: ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY gave a best-of-year page to her previous
album, RED RICE. And she jumped from Topic to Warner, and put out a
new album, ANGELS AND CIGARETTES. Reviews were, to say the least,
controversial and mixed. I finally had a chance to listen to some
of the album -- an $8 used copy at the Elderly shop, open for
previewing. And I couldn't bring myself to buy it. I didn't want
it in the house. It just struck me as a drab pop album dressed
up in folk instrumentation.
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happyboy
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response 10 of 157:
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Jul 27 12:09 UTC 2001 |
what is *celtic*?
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krj
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response 11 of 157:
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Jul 27 16:46 UTC 2001 |
It's a bin in a record store, to paraphrase Ian Anderson, the Folk Roots
magazine editor.
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dbratman
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response 12 of 157:
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Jul 27 16:47 UTC 2001 |
Indeed, but that begs the question. What gets put in that bin, and why?
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eeyore
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response 13 of 157:
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Jul 27 18:59 UTC 2001 |
I've noticed the basic Irish and Irish-style music ends up there...things that
tend to go more twords the traditional songs and chording.
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krj
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response 14 of 157:
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Jul 27 20:34 UTC 2001 |
resp:11, resp:12 :: it doesn't beg the question, it expresses an
opinion on its lack of importance.
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dbratman
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response 15 of 157:
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Jul 30 17:31 UTC 2001 |
If that's what Ian Anderson meant, Ken, then the only possible response
to him is an adaptation of a famous line of Tom Lehrer's: "When people
have nothing to say, the very least they can do is to shut up."
What gets put in various bins is of great importance, because - I can't
believe I have to explain this - bins are where customers look for
things. That's not to say that the bins are necessarily accurate
representations of the variety of the music - indeed, it's the conflict
between the bin-map and the reality-map that makes the question a
matter of concern.
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gelinas
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response 16 of 157:
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Aug 4 03:12 UTC 2001 |
I don't buy much music. But when I do, I find any particular store's
bin arrangement to be largely irrelevant. Mike Oldfield *may* be in any
of New Age, Pop, Rock, or maybe "Instrumental." Roger Whitaker may be in
Pop, Folk, or "vocal". Ignore the bins and labels, wander around looking.
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dbratman
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response 17 of 157:
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Aug 7 18:50 UTC 2001 |
"Wander around looking." Joe, looking for what? How do you know what
to look for? Most people look in bins, either physical or virtual. If-
you-like-X,-try-Y, for instance, is a bin. And are you implying that,
having found Mike Oldfield in one bin or other, you've never even
considered buying something else you leafed through in the same bin?
Bins are important.
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gelinas
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response 18 of 157:
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Aug 8 01:56 UTC 2001 |
I don't do a lot of impulse buying. If I go into a store, it's to get
something specific. But yeah, I'll look at the other things filed with
the thing I was looking for. Sometimes, I've seen things that look
interesting. Can't say I've gone back for them, though.
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krj
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response 19 of 157:
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Sep 20 20:18 UTC 2001 |
A note for Mickey: Fledg'ling Records of Britain has reissued yet another
Shirley Collins album. This one dates from 1959 and the publicity notes
say the Smithsonian let them use the original master tapes from the
Folkways Records archives. Title is "False True Lovers" and
the record company's web page is at:
http://www.thebeesknees.com/bk-fr-ct.html
They also have a new accordion album from John Kirkpatrick, yum.
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krj
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response 20 of 157:
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Sep 20 20:30 UTC 2001 |
and a shopping note for myself: There is a new Swan Arcade CD
compiling the old albums TOGETHER FOREVER and DIVING FOR PEARLS --
the latter one is the one Swan Arcade album we never got.
This was an old acapella trio, similar in sound to The Young Tradition.
Old, old favorites in our house.
Eeek, and more Peter Bellamy reissues....
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dbratman
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response 21 of 157:
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Sep 21 03:52 UTC 2001 |
Ah, those good old acquired tastes ...
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krj
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response 22 of 157:
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Sep 26 22:24 UTC 2001 |
A couple of notes on new CD reissues from The Old Dinosaurs:
Steeleye Span's "Gone to Australia" live CD, mostly from the early 1980s,
should be out. It's listed for just $15 at amazon.com; it's on
the Australian Raven label, which is usually carried by Borders.
http://www.peterknight.net, which is probably the main official source
for Steeleye Span news these days, is down at the moment. However,
a Usenet posting reported that the web site carried a note from
Peter Knight about his decision to put together yet another version
of the band. I'll let you know when I get a chance to read it myself.
Two Fairport issues are coming out: supposedly remastered, with
bonus tracks. These are the FULL HOUSE and HOUSE FULL albums.
FULL HOUSE was Richard Thompson's final studio album with the group,
from 1970; HOUSE FULL (revised) will be the third go-round for
the live tapes recorded in Los Angeles in 1970, again with Thompson.
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krj
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response 23 of 157:
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Sep 28 18:07 UTC 2001 |
The note at Peter Knight's web site says simply, "It is with great
pleasure that I can now announce that Steeleye Span will be touring
in 2002." In the website's Q&A section, Knight says the new Steeleye
lineup is set, but the details will be kept under wraps until a
promotional push in early 2002. He says there will be a female singer.
There's also a mention of a planned Steeleye Span convention in
Philadelphia sometime in 2002.
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dbratman
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response 24 of 157:
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Sep 30 06:47 UTC 2001 |
Well, good luck, but it won't be the same ...
A convention. Hmm. Philadelphia. Double hmmm.
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krj
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response 25 of 157:
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Oct 17 18:30 UTC 2001 |
This is mostly a note for Twila and myself. The band Little Johnny England
is playing Mickey Finn's Pub in Toledo on November 9. Hmm.
Anyplace called a "pub" might be too smoky for Twila to tolerate.
The band's website is http://www.littlejohnnyengland.co.uk
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krj
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response 26 of 157:
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Nov 4 16:33 UTC 2001 |
Musikfolk's email announcement of new releases includes yet another
Maddy Prior Christmas album, for release November 26:
>Maddy Prior & The Carnival Band - Gold Frankincense & Myrhh - CD - Stg 13.50
I'm starting to question my need for an annual Maddy Prior holiday
CD...
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dbratman
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response 27 of 157:
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Nov 4 17:26 UTC 2001 |
Why? Are you getting tired of her Christmas carols?
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krj
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response 28 of 157:
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Nov 4 19:03 UTC 2001 |
I'm just not sure how many I need. This will be the fourth or fifth
Christmas album from Maddy, depending on how you count BALLADS AND
CANDLES. Christmas albums have only a six-week window of exposure
in our house, and it is already impossible for us to play our
favorites every year, because we have too many.
Of course Maddy did a non-Christmas album this year too, and I'm
sure the Christmas stuff wouldn't pour out so generously if it
didn't sell well, so I should stop carping.
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dbratman
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response 29 of 157:
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Nov 6 00:41 UTC 2001 |
Alert: Christmas carols (not by Maddy) in the bookstore today.
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tpryan
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response 30 of 157:
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Nov 6 03:16 UTC 2001 |
/drift
I complained about Christmas carols in the store
between Nov 1 and Xgiving. Enough people did an the muzak
was changed. Just too soon.
/still more drift
I hate shopping in this time between Halloween and
Thanksgiving. Just too much early push.
/end more drift
/end drift
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