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jp2
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response 6 of 184:
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Jan 29 19:32 UTC 2004 |
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albaugh
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response 7 of 184:
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Jan 29 19:54 UTC 2004 |
The human known on grex as valerie or popcorn is certainly entitled to lobby
whomever she wishes via whatever means she can devise re: this vote.
I already expressed my recommendation for a *YES* vote in item #75.
I think that knowing about her lobbying reinforces my feelings on why the
proposal should be passed.
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jp2
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response 8 of 184:
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Jan 29 20:07 UTC 2004 |
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cmcgee
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response 9 of 184:
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Jan 29 20:17 UTC 2004 |
Well, emotional arguments not based on fact, policy or precedent CAN be
persuasive. If an argument makes sense to me, I don't have to vote against
it just because you tell me that my reasoning doesn't make sense to you.
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gull
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response 10 of 184:
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Jan 29 20:27 UTC 2004 |
Her message didn't contain any information that would be new to anyone
who reads co-op. It was just a recounting of the personal content of
the item and her discovery that it was being parodied on mnet.
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cyklone
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response 11 of 184:
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Jan 29 22:15 UTC 2004 |
"personal favors for favored persons"
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gelinas
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response 12 of 184:
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Jan 29 22:32 UTC 2004 |
(I've yet to see much real logic from jp2. Lots of emtion *claiming* to be
logic, but no logic.)
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remmers
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response 13 of 184:
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Jan 29 23:06 UTC 2004 |
I received a copy of the mail and assumed it was sent to all members.
As far as I know, there was no policy violation - "mass mail" is a problem
if it taxes systems resources, but I think this was done in such a way as
to void that.
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jp2
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response 14 of 184:
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Jan 30 00:59 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 15 of 184:
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Jan 30 01:55 UTC 2004 |
remmers locked your account?!
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gelinas
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response 16 of 184:
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Jan 30 03:11 UTC 2004 |
(That's the difference a choice in machinery can make.)
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albaugh
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response 17 of 184:
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Jan 30 18:23 UTC 2004 |
> assumed it was sent to all members
I am quite certain that is not the case.
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dpc
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response 18 of 184:
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Jan 30 19:06 UTC 2004 |
Well, the thing was plainly not addressed to me personally.
The list of who is a Grex member is public, isn't it?
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tod
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response 19 of 184:
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Jan 30 19:07 UTC 2004 |
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tod
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response 20 of 184:
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Jan 30 19:09 UTC 2004 |
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keesan
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response 21 of 184:
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Jan 30 20:19 UTC 2004 |
My voting was influenced by the fact that Valerie is a nice person who has
done a lot for grex, probably much of it beyond the call of duty. I would
much rather just have lost the items and not Valerie with them.
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happyboy
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response 22 of 184:
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Jan 30 21:32 UTC 2004 |
*sigh*
my vote was influenced by valerie's online personality
as well.
*sigh*
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tod
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response 23 of 184:
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Jan 30 21:59 UTC 2004 |
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cyklone
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response 24 of 184:
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Jan 30 22:23 UTC 2004 |
Personal favors for favored persons!
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albaugh
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response 25 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:22 UTC 2004 |
I'm curious as to the "Subject" field of the e-mail sent to at least some of
grex's members (it seems).
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gelinas
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response 26 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:25 UTC 2004 |
The subject was "a request"
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tod
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response 27 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:32 UTC 2004 |
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cyklone
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response 28 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:55 UTC 2004 |
> Date: 29 Jan 2004 05:45:09 -0000
> From: valerie@unixmama.com
> To: xxxxxxxxxxxx@cyberspace.org
> Subject: a request
> Hello. I'm writing with a request that is very important to me.
> I deleted my online baby diary from Grex. There is a vote that has
> just started, to undelete it, against my wishes. Please, even if
> you haven't used Grex in a long time, I urge you to log in and vote
> to leave the baby diary deleted. The vote also includes John Perry's
> divorce diary, which I deleted at his request, and which he wishes
> to also stay deleted. I encourage you to log in and vote to leave all
> these items deleted. My baby diary items contain lots of personal
> information about me and my children that I no longer wish to be
> posted on the Internet. Even if my items are restored without my
> postings, my baby diary items are still all about me and my children,
> and the other people's postings are full of my personal information
> that I no longer wish to have posted.
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> Here are the details of what happened: Back in 1997, I started
> keeping an online baby diary on Grex, logging many personal details
> of pregnancy, the births of my children, and many details of raising
> them, and about my personal life. I originally posted it because
> I thought people who hadn't experienced pregnancy and childbirth
> might be interested to read about these things. I figured that
> since it was located in a back corner of Grex, the only people who
> would wade through my baby diary were people who were interested
> enough in parenting to wade through hundreds of postings about messy
> diapers and other topics of interest only to people who were truly
> interested in parenting issues, and also to people who were very
> patient friends of mine who wanted to keep up with my life.
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> A few weeks ago, I discovered that a parody of my baby diary had
> been running on M-Net for the past 2 1/2 years, without my knowledge.
> (If you would like to see it, it's item 39 in the "Agora" conference
> on M-Net.) Some of the postings there are funny, some are nasty.
> Finding the parody explained a lot about why the real baby diary
> had, in the past 2 1/2 years, acquired a number of people who didn't
> really seem to be interested in parenting, as you could tell by
> their postings. They were visiting my baby diary to acquire
> material to parody on M-Net, or better yet to post my words verbatim
> and laugh about how outrageous or personal the information was.
> The rules of the parody game in M-Net's Agora conference say that
> anything posted anywhere on Grex is open to parodying. There is
> no way to opt out of being parodied. That is, if you post anything
> on Grex, the people in M-Net's Agora conference take it as an open
> invitation to parody you. I wished to opt out. So I deleted my
> baby diary. I used my Grex staff access to do it, just as I would
> have done for any user of Grex who asked staff to delete an item that
> was full of his or her personal information that they no longer wanted
> to have online.
>
> When I deleted the baby diaries, someone started a discussion
> in the co-op conference, claiming that my deletion of the baby
> diaries was "root abuse". User jp2 started a vote, this vote that
> I am writing to you about, to undelete the baby diaries. His
> reasoning is that since there were other people's words in the baby
> diaries, he claims it was censorship for me to delete their words
> without their permission. I find this claim bizarre. The information
> in those baby diaries is all about me and my children. If someone
> else had posted my credit card numbers, it would clearly be appropriate
> to delete that posting, because it contained my personal information.
> Most of the postings in the baby diaries are likewise all about my
> personal information. I no longer wish to have this personal
> information online.
>
> So, if you would log in to Grex and vote "no" on proposal "A",
> I would very much appreciate it.
>
> To vote, log in to Grex, and, type !vote from a menu, or
> vote from a shell prompt. Then follow the menus from there.
>
> -Valerie
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naftee
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response 29 of 184:
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Jan 31 00:32 UTC 2004 |
re 19 All campaigning is a form of disinformation. This just happens to be
a bitch doing it.
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cyklone
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response 30 of 184:
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Jan 31 03:52 UTC 2004 |
She's basically saying "gee, I really meant to have a vanity conference
like the one twinkie has on mnet but I forgot to warn the posters ahead of
time that I was the dictator. Please approve my coup." Which is pretty
much what jep is doing as well.
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