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keesan
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Jan 17 23:11 UTC 2001 |
Bread with the soups.
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orinoco
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response 7 of 34:
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Jan 18 03:45 UTC 2001 |
Ooh....that Barbara Friedlander book sounds fantastic. (And where do I
recognize her name from? Has she written other books?)
It turns out I may have less leeway to make stuff I want to make anyway --
food buying and menu-making are the jobs of the Food Steward. I was due to
cook on Monday and I'd gotten all revved up to do a pasta sauce that I thought
would be easy to multiply when she turned up and handed me a bunch of
vegetables and a bunch of boxes of croissants and told me to start making
sandwiches.
So, convenient in the short run, since I don't have to experiment with
recipes. Annoying in the long run, I'm guessing, since I don't particularly
like most of the recipes in the Official House Cookbook that I've tasted so
far, and I prefer to find my own recipes anyway.
Of course, she might just have taken over command for that one night to help
out the new guy....
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keesan
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Jan 18 17:50 UTC 2001 |
Is this coop supposed to be saving the students money? Croissants?!
I recall when cooking for my coop dorm that I would make my own bread, or
ravioli. Jim suggests a salad bar for those who want bread and raw
vegetables. (By making ravioli I meant starting with flour - never again,
at least for 40 people. My grandfather the baker helped.) We had contests
to see who could cook the cheapest meal, as the costs were billed directly
to the eaters. There was a 50 cent/meal limit (1972 - it would be at least
five times that now) and I won at 18 cents - soybeans and wild vegetable soup
and bread. Time consuming, though. What is it costing nowadays to eat in
a coop? A dorm?
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orinoco
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Jan 19 18:11 UTC 2001 |
Yeah, that was my reaction. People here don't seem to be quite clear on why
they're living here. Everybody wants to save money etc., but people aren't
willing to put in all that much work. The co-ops are still cheaper than the
dorms, but the dorms have probably also gotten more luxurious since the 60s
and 70s.
The croissants were especially ridiculous because the co-op didn't want to
spend too much money on them, so they get cheap ones that more or less just
taste like bread and butter; only croissants are worse than bread and butter
for making sandwiches, because they're crescent-shaped instead of square and
everything falls off.
I don't think I could make my own bread at meals here without buying at least
my own yeast, and probably my own flour too. We have white cake flour in the
pantry, a few boxes of cake mix, and _maybe_ baking soda.
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eeyore
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response 10 of 34:
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Jan 25 05:44 UTC 2001 |
Wooden Spoon Used Books downtown has a book there called "Food For Fifty".
That might not be a bad idea.....
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orinoco
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response 11 of 34:
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Feb 9 19:23 UTC 2001 |
Finally, some things that are easier on a large scale than on a small scale:
Cheese sauces. Melting flour into butter -- there's a French word for this,
I know it -- drives me crazy normally. Either the butter cooks away, or I
burn the flour, or I don't have the heat up high enough and it all just sits
there. But when you're making casserole for 30 people and you're melting a
whole vat of butter, the process seems a lot more stable.
Rice. If you're cooking one serving of rice, and some of it burns to the pot,
you've lost half your rice. If you're cooking a vat of rice, and some of it
burns to the pot, you've lost a serving or two total, but it's a much smaller
percentage.
Vat. You get to use the word "vat" a lot. I like vats. Vat vat vat vat vat.
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glenda
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response 12 of 34:
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Feb 9 23:30 UTC 2001 |
Its called a roue (at least I think that how it is spelled), pronounced rue.
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scott
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response 13 of 34:
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Feb 10 01:00 UTC 2001 |
"roux", pronounced "rue".
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omni
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response 14 of 34:
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Feb 10 02:47 UTC 2001 |
There is an easy way to make a roux.
Start with equal parts of butter and flour. Usually all that's needed is
2 tbs of each. Melt the butter over a low fire, add the flour and whisk.
Rouxs, according to several sources have varying degrees of thickening power.
As a rule, the darker the roux, the less it will thicken.
Add 2 c of milk to the roux, and you'll have what is known as bechamel
sauce. Add cheese, and you have a perfect cheese sauce. Add the milk in
gradual stages or you'll be in lump city. As you add the milk, keep the
whisking up. When it comes to the boil, season, and add your cheese or
whatever. This is not rocket science.
That should be 2 tablespoons of each, BTW
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eskarina
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response 15 of 34:
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May 23 14:12 UTC 2002 |
resurrect the item!
I just moved into a coop, and am thinking about being a cook for the fall.
We have much of the opposite problem: we have no official recipes, the people
who cook tell the house Buyer what to buy, but people have been getting less
and less creative. There was even an official spaghetti night last semester!
I want to do better, but really don't know of anything.
The Findhorn cookbook looked interesting... where do I find it? It wasn't
listed on Amazon.com.
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cmcgee
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May 23 18:39 UTC 2002 |
I'm back n town, but busy until Wed or Thurs of next week. I'd be glad to
let you two look at and copy important parts of Findhorn.
Reference
The Findhorn Cookbook, An Approach to Cooking with Consciousness
Barbara Friedlander
copyright 1976
ISBN 0-448-11893-9 (paperback)
ISBN 0-448-12570-6 (hardback)
Recipes are designed for 10, 25, 50, and 100 servings. More
importantly, there is a _lot_ of information about how to organize the
kitchen and work crews.
The recipes are not vegan (honey, eggs, milk, and cheese are sometimes
included) but they are vegetarian.
Email me and we can get together.
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orinoco
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May 28 15:56 UTC 2002 |
At Luther house, I was thinking about posting a list of cooking tips in the
kitchen -- things like which spices go with what sort of food, or reminders
about how to put a menu together. The house I'm at now is a lot more
enthusiastic about food, and that doesn't really seem to be necessary. Still,
we keep a short list of pointers on the fridge. That might help in your
house.
Do you have a house collection of cookbooks? At Lester, we've got guff copies
of the Moosewood series, Cookbook for a Small World, and a few others. We'd
be pretty much lost without those. The Findhorn cookbook sounds really good.
There's one called "Moosewood Cooks for a Crowd" that sounds similar.
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eskarina
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response 18 of 34:
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May 28 16:54 UTC 2002 |
What was Luther House?
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orinoco
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response 19 of 34:
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May 29 21:34 UTC 2002 |
Luther's the co-op I lived in for the past year or so. Now I'm at Lester.
They're both co-op houses in Ann Arbor.
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jaklumen
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response 20 of 34:
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May 30 08:01 UTC 2002 |
I'm sorry-- I am so confused and I feel so.. um.. rural.. what's a co-
op house?
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response 21 of 34:
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May 31 00:24 UTC 2002 |
A co-op house is sort of an urban commune. Think 60's & hippies, though
things have evolved somewhat since then.
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jaklumen
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response 22 of 34:
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May 31 03:55 UTC 2002 |
Interesting. Evolved like how? (I'm not a hippie.)
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orinoco
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response 23 of 34:
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May 31 06:09 UTC 2002 |
Well, never having lived in a commune...
The members are all partial owners of the house. They all pay dues that go
towards the upkeep of the house, utilities, and food. Anything that is bought
with dues is shared (or at least, available to be shared) by the whole house.
The house is, in theory, run democratically. In practice, it's an oligarchy
run by the couple of people who can be bothered to deal with that sort of
thing. All the members are assigned a job, or a few jobs, to help keep the
house running.
I think what's evolved is the attitude behind the co-ops, not the way they
run. They're less of a Vehicle for Social Transformation these days, and more
of a place to live, or so I'm told.
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jaklumen
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response 24 of 34:
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May 31 09:41 UTC 2002 |
It really does sound like an interesting concept, but sounds a little
more like a glorified roommate thing to me. Don't think I'd see any
such thing out here.
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scott
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response 25 of 34:
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May 31 12:53 UTC 2002 |
The coop concept goes back quite a ways in rural America, and often just for
the practical purpose of sharing big investments. My grandpa the wheat farmer
was part of a coop.
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cmcgee
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response 26 of 34:
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May 31 13:28 UTC 2002 |
The UM Housing coops were set up in the 1930s, long before the hippies
came along.
Coops, in general, are an alternative business management system.
Under the capitalism model the capital for the enterprise is provided
by Party A (investors) so that party B (managers) can use it to hire
party C (workers) and buy machinery to make products that are then
sold to party D (consumers).
This business system is codified in US corporation laws.
Under the cooperative model, the parties are combined. For example,
in the food coop, the owners of the coop are Party A, C, and D.
Originally they were also Party B, but when the coop got to be a
large business (we do over $4 million a year in sales), we hired
full-time managers and some full time workers.
This business system is codified in US cooperative law. You may not
call your business a coop unless it meets the legal requirements of
the coop.
Rural electric coops were an early example of a consumer coop, where
the consumers of a service or product got together to provide it for
themselves.
Credit unions are money coops, where the consumers are also the
owners of the bank.
Wheat, dairy, and other farm product coops are marketing coops, where
the members provide the capital to market their crops as a single
business, rather than individually. I think Land O' Lakes dairies
are a coop.
Anyway, it is an alternative business system, codified in US law, so
that the business is owned by the consumers of the service or
product. Part of the law is that only people who meet certain
criteria can join the cooperative.
In housing coops, you buy a share of the coop, which makes you a part
owner of the house or houses owned by the cooperative. Some coops
are single family units (in Ann Arbor there are 20 or 30 of them)
others, owned by the UM Housing Coop, are shared living space, whose
membership is limited to students at the UM. In this coop, the work
to maintain and feed the residence and residents is mostly done by
the owners themselves.
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orinoco
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response 27 of 34:
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Jun 2 20:02 UTC 2002 |
(Nitpick: It's the Ann Arbor Inter-Cooperative Council now, membership is
open to any students at Washtenaw County schools, and non-students can move
in if the house votes to allow it.)
If you're not interested in socialism or alternative business models, then
yeah, it's a glorified roommate setup. But it's a glorified roommate setup
that seems to work pretty well. When I shared an apartment with four other
people, nothing got done and we were at each others' throats the whole time.
I lived in a house of 45 people last year, and it ran ten times as smoothly.
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cmcgee
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response 28 of 34:
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Jun 2 20:30 UTC 2002 |
Thanks for the nit-picks. I didn't know those things.
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jaklumen
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response 29 of 34:
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Jun 3 07:10 UTC 2002 |
If it works well, wonderful. That's why I was intrigued. I don't
think I'll see it out here, though.
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cmcgee
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response 30 of 34:
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Jun 3 12:56 UTC 2002 |
Actually, REI (Recreational Equipment ?I) is one of the country's biggest
coops. As I remember, they got their start in Oregon or Washington.
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