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Grex > Agora46 > #8: I'm Bummed, I'm Bummed, I'm really really Bummed | |
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katie
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response 585 of 594:
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Sep 23 17:47 UTC 2003 |
My friend was kicked out of the "Ann Arbor Gospel Chorale" because of
his sexual orientation.
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tod
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response 586 of 594:
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Sep 23 18:00 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 587 of 594:
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Sep 23 18:16 UTC 2003 |
Re #585: people can be really vicious. Doesn't sound "Christian" to me.
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tod
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response 588 of 594:
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Sep 23 18:53 UTC 2003 |
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scg
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response 589 of 594:
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Sep 23 20:25 UTC 2003 |
Electronic voting machines should be pretty easy to test beforehand --
simulate lots of elections, keep very close track of how many votes were cast
for which candidates, and audit the results. My understanding is that the
Diebold machines aren't quite so easy to test, as part of the Diebold election
program involves Diebold having remote access to the voting machines while
the election is going on, so they could at least in theory be issued commands
during the real election that wouldn't have been issued to them during the
tests.
That said, there are plenty of rich and/or influential people who make
promises to deliver a state to a certain candidate, generally through the use
of endorsements or fundraising, who have no control over the voting process.
Sometimes such people actually succeed. Sometimes they fail (John Engler's
promises to deliver the Michigan Republican Primary to George Bush in 2000,
for example). While Mr. Diebold is in an interesting position to fulfill his
promises through sinister means, I don't think we can conclude that his intent
is to do so. On the other hand, the lack of an audit trail also opens up lots
of possibilities of fraud by local election officials. Reset the machine in
the middle of the day, input the right number of votes to match the number
of voters who came through that morning, and you won't have any risk of
somebody noting that more ballots were used than counted, or of your ballot
boxes being found floating in the Bay (San Francisco, a few years ago).
It seems to me that all the usability of the touch screen voting machines
(ignoring that they're not actually all that easy to use) could be gotten
along with an audit trail, by having the voting machines print out a completed
ballot that could be looked over and placed in a ballot box, after each voter
finished voting. If nobody was suspicious of the results, the counting could
be done easilly via the machine's internal counting features. If the results
looked wrong, or somebody wanted to challenge them, a handcount of paper would
still be possible. If what was being printed on the paper was different than
what was being entered into the voting machines, presumably somebody would
notice.
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scott
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response 590 of 594:
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Sep 23 20:43 UTC 2003 |
if (today == ELECTION_DAY) {
mode = REPUBLICAN_UPSET;
} else {
mode = HONEST;
}
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gelinas
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response 591 of 594:
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Sep 23 21:21 UTC 2003 |
Which is why I like optical scanning of paper ballots marked by the voter.
But this is a long way from the "I'm Bummed Because . . . " topic.
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gull
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response 592 of 594:
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Sep 24 00:56 UTC 2003 |
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev_harris/index.html is
another interesting article about this. It talks about the general
problems with electronic voting machines, and about a specific problem
with Diebold machines that allows the results to be easily altered with
no audit trail. (Diebold was made aware of this problem and responded,
essentially, that it was a feature, not a bug.) It also points out
hints of touch screen vote fraud in Georgia and King County, Washington.
Finally, it notes that in a 2001 MIT/Caltech study the only voting
system that had a worse error rate than punch cards was...touch screens.
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richard
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response 593 of 594:
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Sep 24 02:50 UTC 2003 |
IBB it is officially fall today and we are still in summer agora. will this
summer ever end?! bring on the fall!
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gelinas
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response 594 of 594:
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Sep 24 04:06 UTC 2003 |
Oh, relax, richard.
IBB I've not yet registered Sol II and now it has expired. (Sol II is a Palm
application that computes sunrise, sunset, BMAT, BMNT, BMCT, EECT, EENT, EEAT,
moonrise and moonset. "BMAT" is "Beginning of Morning Astronomical
Twilight.")
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