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Grex > Music2 > #167: Recorded Music Delivery Formats Past & Present |  |
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goose
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response 58 of 126:
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Jan 6 20:37 UTC 1999 |
Oooohhh...I've got lots of comments on this item, I just don't have
time right now to make them all. Damn. :-)
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lumen
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response 59 of 126:
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Jan 6 23:07 UTC 1999 |
Find the time and make the comments. I remember when omni mentioned his LP
mastered from 35mm before. It's too bad I live too far away to hear it.
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bruin
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response 60 of 126:
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Jan 7 01:04 UTC 1999 |
RE #57 Another example of the cardboard record insert I recall was in a _Mad_
magazine compilation, which was a song by Alfred E. Neuman called "It's A
Gas", which had burping sounds as part of the melody. One time I heard the
song on WCBN, and that was an industrial strength surprise, IMNSHO.
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omni
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response 61 of 126:
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Jan 7 08:35 UTC 1999 |
Send me a tape and I'll copy it for you.
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scott
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response 62 of 126:
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Jan 7 11:58 UTC 1999 |
35mm "mag stock" is common in the movie industry. It is basically like 35mm
film, coated to act as recording tape. They use it because it is very easy
to sync to real movie film during the editing processes.
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goose
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response 63 of 126:
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Jan 7 16:32 UTC 1999 |
Not to mention no wow and flutter since it's sprocketed. I'm compiling some
comments now....
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iggy
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response 64 of 126:
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Jan 7 20:51 UTC 1999 |
did anyone remember "the archies" 45's that were on the back of
cereal? (honeycombs?)
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scott
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response 65 of 126:
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Jan 7 22:34 UTC 1999 |
Yeah! That's exactly what was on the cereal boxes I'm thinking of.
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happyboy
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response 66 of 126:
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Jan 8 01:21 UTC 1999 |
we was so pore we hadda use them boxes fer torlet paypuh.
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omni
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response 67 of 126:
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Jan 8 10:03 UTC 1999 |
Yeah, I had a few of those. They sounded horrid.
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keesan
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response 68 of 126:
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Jan 8 20:28 UTC 1999 |
Re the flip needles, we have a few of the cartridges designed for them, but
most of the needles in these cartridges are both sides LP - one side diamond,
and the other a softer sapphire that you could use after the diamond broke
until you got around to replacing the stylus. You can play 78s with an LP
needle and they don't sound a whole lot worse.
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jshafer
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response 69 of 126:
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Jan 14 08:16 UTC 1999 |
Re: resp:7 way back there,
If I recall correctly, ADAT uses VHS video tapes?
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scott
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response 70 of 126:
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Jan 14 12:06 UTC 1999 |
Something like that. SVHS, probably. There have been other multi-track
formats based on video tape.
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eieio
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response 71 of 126:
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Jan 14 15:36 UTC 1999 |
Yes, it's S-VHS, though people who are really fussy about these kind of things
would insist that you not use off-the-shelf SVHS tape in an ADAT. They'd opt,
instead, for something branded as ADAT, like Ampex 486 (?).
For most of my film/video production classes, I used Ampex 486 as SVHS and
always had good luck with it, though.
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gull
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response 72 of 126:
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Jan 14 20:42 UTC 1999 |
In a related issue, is there any difference between audio DAT cassettes and
the ones used in DAT tape backup drives? They seem to be sold under
different labels.
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eieio
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response 73 of 126:
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Jan 14 21:14 UTC 1999 |
I'm sure you could find people who would say so; I don't have enough knowledge
of the issue to say with any authority.
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scott
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response 74 of 126:
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Jan 14 21:42 UTC 1999 |
I recall the docs for an HP DAT drive saying that data tapes were more
critical, but if they use the same basic encoding I can't see where you'd be
willing to sacrifice audio quality anyway.
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jshafer
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response 75 of 126:
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Jan 14 21:48 UTC 1999 |
Cool. Glad to know my memory isn't completely off...
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scott
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response 76 of 126:
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Jan 15 00:15 UTC 1999 |
Hhuuuunnnn.... I have a vague memory that there was some mention of differing
styles of use, like the data tapes were better if the transport did a lot of
seeking back and forth. That would be more consistent with a data tape
application (looking for specific files) while an audio tape would tend to
run continuously.
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tpryan
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response 77 of 126:
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Jan 16 21:28 UTC 1999 |
re one of the questions about 33 & 1/3rd: I just recently seen where
33&1/3rd came from...the movie industry. When they where first made,
they where a combination of a disk record and reel of film. It was
a little while later that the film optical sound track came out. So
it happened that if you slowed the 12 or 16" record down from 78 to
33&1/3rd, one reel of film would equal one disk of sound. It think
it was a Western Electric system, put into practical use for the
first talkie "The Jazz Singer".
In the beginning of the Rock & Roll era, many rock & roll records
where also released on 78s in additions to 45s. I was once enchanted with
collecting a number of the Rock & Roll hits on 78s. However, by 1959,
the last of new releases where made on 78s--within 10 years the new
formats had taken over the market. In the late 70's Art Crumb and
his Cheap Suite Seranaders released a song on 78, making the last new
release on a 78. Come the 80's, Rhino records did a significant re-issue of
Rock & Roll 78s, to be used in the highly (now prized) 78rpm jukeboxes.
By 1986, Rhino also issued those Jukebox Classics on 2 CDs (that I have).
I remain amazed that the 45/LP takeover only took 10 years, as
it still possible today to get new releases on LP or singles on 45. The
reign of the LP/45 pretty much lasted 40 years, the 78rpm era lasted about
60(?) years, the wax cylinder era about 40 years. We could guess that we
are already half-way thru the era of the CD. However if an Audio DVD
format can be standardized, and backwards compatable players made, the
CD era could end by 2004, only about a 20 year run. I thought the next
step would be a solid-state device, all memory, no mechanical playback,
just RAM--maybe the gigabyte chip?
The first 12" 45 that I saw was Electra records issueing a Harry
Chapin song in the mid-70's--all 8 minutes of it, as a single. Radio
stations only, as they would wear out the smaller groves necessary very
fast. I have a small collection of commercially released SuperSound
Maxi 45rpms: 4 on 45 by The Rolling Stones (Satisfaction, Paint it Black
Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk Woman); Elton John Band featuring John
Lennon and the Muscle Shoals Horns (John's last public appearance)
(I Saw Her Standing There, Whatever Gets YOu Through The Night, Lucy In The
Sky with Diamonds) 28th November, 1974; The Stray Cats (Stray Cat Strut,
Built for Speed, Sweet Love On My Mind, Drink That Bottle Down); and
Prince (Little REad Corvette (Full Length), Automatic, International Lover);
all of which are probably British imports that found me at Schoolkids).
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keesan
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response 78 of 126:
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Jan 18 04:45 UTC 1999 |
Could one download music from the Internet onto hard disk, for a fee? Jim
says they are considering this with movies.
How big a hard disk would 60 minues of digital music occupy?
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senna
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response 79 of 126:
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Jan 18 07:27 UTC 1999 |
I can, right now, download music onto my hard disk for free. I was earlier
tonight, but for some reason it wasn't working. It's called MP3, and given
the proper promotion could be gigantic in the recording industry.
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shf
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response 80 of 126:
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Jan 18 12:11 UTC 1999 |
mp4 is supposedly smaller, better audio quality, and includes its own player.
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scott
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response 81 of 126:
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Jan 18 12:20 UTC 1999 |
A curretly available portable mp3 player (the Diamond "Rio") holds an hour
of music in 32 Mb of RAM.
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mcnally
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response 82 of 126:
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Jan 18 18:20 UTC 1999 |
to more specifically answer #78:
+ Yes, you can download music from the Internet.
the most popular downloadable music format right now is called MP3,
though other formats exist.
there are many MP3 audio files that amateur artists have made available
for free over the internet, some professional musicians have also made
songs available for free download but there are also many recordings of
professional musicians that are distributed without the permission of
the copyright holder.
The music industry is very concerned about Internet music and is convinced
that widescale piracy of audio files over the internet is costing them big
money, they've been actively trying to hamper the MP3 format (which of
course, the Internet being what it is, has only given MP3 a kind of cool
image which has made it even more popular.
Some artists have begun to experiment with the notion of making their
new work available for download at a fee -- this is primarily popular
with obscure bands who don't have major-label record contracts but a
few of the more technophilic successful artists have also been trying this.
+ How much space an hour of recorded music takes up depends on the sampling
rate at which the music was digitized (higher rate is better but takes up
more space -- "CD quality" sound is sampled at 44.1Khz or 44,100 samples
per second..) and also on the format in which the data is stored -- most
popular audio formats include some sort of data compression because
otherwise the files are *huge*. A full CD's worth of audio data
*uncompressed* is about 660MB (for about 72 minutes of music..)
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