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rcurl
response 58 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 04:55 UTC 2013

Re #55: Read it again. It means that members can't sue the corporation. 
jep
response 59 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 16:40 UTC 2013

re resp:57: I thought 10% of the membership was required.  How many
members are there?  If there are less than 10, one member is 10%.
gelinas
response 60 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 22:51 UTC 2013

At last count, when I counted the votes for the election, there were sixteen
members.

Also, only two, not three, weeks of discussion are required.  So post the
final wording, at your convenience. :)
jep
response 61 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 03:51 UTC 2013

Reviewing the by-laws, my motion is as follows:

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Shall the following changes be made to the by-laws?

By-Law change part A): Remove this section:

4.b.  Upon serving two consecutive terms on the BOD, a person must
      vacate the BOD for one year before being eligible to serve
      again.

By-Law change part B) Change the following:

The current bylaw 4.c. states:
4.c.  If an office is vacated before expiration of its term, an
      election to fill the vacancy shall take place within three
      months.  A partial term so created of six months or less will
      not count toward the two-consecutive-term limitation.

The new bylaw 4.c. should state:
4.c.  If an office is vacated before expiration of its term, an
      election to fill the vacancy shall take place within three
      months.
mary
response 62 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 13:26 UTC 2013

I will support this change.
gelinas
response 63 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 20:11 UTC 2013

A couple of friendly amendments?

"Remove section 4b, quoted below, and reletter the remaining sections
appropriately."

"Change the wording of the current bylaw 4.c, redesignated 4.b, as follows:"

"The new bylaw 4.b should state:"
cross
response 64 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 20:16 UTC 2013

+1 to Joe's suggestions.
jep
response 65 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 04:06 UTC 2013

Thanks, Joe!  Like this?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


Shall the following changes be made to the by-laws?

By-Law change part A): Remove section 4b, quoted below, and re-letter
the remaining sections appropriately.

4.b.  Upon serving two consecutive terms on the BOD, a person must
      vacate the BOD for one year before being eligible to serve
      again.

By-Law change part B) Change the wording of the current bylaw 4.c,
redesignated 4.b, as follows:

The current bylaw 4.c. states:
4.c.  If an office is vacated before expiration of its term, an
      election to fill the vacancy shall take place within three
      months.  A partial term so created of six months or less will
      not count toward the two-consecutive-term limitation.

The new bylaw 4.b. should state:
4.c.  If an office is vacated before expiration of its term, an
      election to fill the vacancy shall take place within three
      months.
cross
response 66 of 91: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 06:01 UTC 2013

(typo in the last stanza: 4.c to 4.b)
gelinas
response 67 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 02:54 UTC 2013

OK, we now have the final wording, more or less, and one member's approval
for bringing it to a vote.  We also have a members's "if-so then-so." The
bylaws allow forty-eight hours for approval.  It seems to me that 24 have
elapsed.  Are there any additional approvals?  Do any who have already
approved wish to revoke that approval?

In the absence of an explicit revocation, I'm inclined to accept the "if-so
then-so" as an approval.

I think the midnight between March 1 and March 2, a reasonable time to close
the floor for approvals to vote on the motion.
denise
response 68 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 18:13 UTC 2013

I would approve this.
jep
response 69 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 02:30 UTC 2013

I corrected the typo.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Shall the following changes be made to the by-laws?

By-Law change part A): Remove section 4b, quoted below, and re-letter
the remaining sections appropriately.

4.b.  Upon serving two consecutive terms on the BOD, a person must
      vacate the BOD for one year before being eligible to serve
      again.

By-Law change part B) Change the wording of the current bylaw 4.c,
redesignated 4.b, as follows:

The current bylaw 4.c. states:
4.c.  If an office is vacated before expiration of its term, an
      election to fill the vacancy shall take place within three
      months.  A partial term so created of six months or less will
      not count toward the two-consecutive-term limitation.

The new bylaw 4.b. should state:
4.b.  If an office is vacated before expiration of its term, an
      election to fill the vacancy shall take place within three
      months.
gelinas
response 70 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 21:18 UTC 2013

I'm not feeling well today.  Also, I've run into a problem with backtalk that
may affect voting: I've not been able to log in from the web.  As soon as
those two problems are resolved, I'll set up the voting booth.  The election
will run ten days.  To pass, this amendment to the bylaws will need approval
from three-fourths of the members voting.
kentn
response 71 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 22:48 UTC 2013

The web bbs has been this way for a long long time.  The issue is that the
login uses http:// and we need https:// now.  This coming from the various
color schemes which set up the "Login now" link.  A work-around is to 
attempt to log in and when you get the error, edit the URL to add https
to it. 
jgelinas
response 72 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 01:46 UTC 2013

That's really . . . disappointing.  It starts from https, then switches
to  http?  Ugh.

I'm feeling better, but not better enough to set up the voting today.
kentn
response 73 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 02:24 UTC 2013

It's http in the backtalk scripts.  It doesn't change as far as I know.
We've got https on the front web page, so that gets you in that far,
but when you click on "Login now" it is http:// which doesn't work.
jep
response 74 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 02:26 UTC 2013

I do not think it's important to hold this vote quickly.  As long as
it's done in time for the next election, I think that is fine.
gelinas
response 75 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 01:03 UTC 2013

The polls will open at one minute after midnight, Eastern Standard Time,
March 8, and close at one minute before midnight, Eastern Standard Time,
March 17, which is ten days minus ten minutes.

I figured folks could use 24-hours notice of the polls opening.  :)

I'll make an announcement in agora and in the MOTD, but I am not mucking with
the web page tonight.
gelinas
response 76 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 01:10 UTC 2013

The polls will be open ten days minus TWO minutes, not ten minutes.  I can
count, I just can't type. :(
jgelinas
response 77 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 01:20 UTC 2013

('Twould be nice to have a logOUT option in backtalk.)
jep
response 78 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 05:26 UTC 2013

Thanks Joe!
jep
response 79 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 02:27 UTC 2013

Joe, can the vote link be added to the MOTD when it is active, please?
jgelinas
response 80 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 00:58 UTC 2013

The command-line voting both has been closed for a while, I learned 
recently.  There may be a way to put a lynx link into a text file, but I
 don't know how it would be done.

There was some talk about a shell wrapper around lynx so that 'vote'
would  work again, but I'm not ambitious enough to figure it out right
now.
gelinas
response 81 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 01:03 UTC 2013

BTW, we weren't really down 24 hours, but I extended the voting period to the
end of 18 March anyway.  I should update the motd, I guess.
gelinas
response 82 of 91: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 22:16 UTC 2013

I'm still waiting for a certified list of voters.  A preliminary count shows
seven for and one against.  The proposal *probably* passed.
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