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scott
response 57 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 22:00 UTC 2001

Well, Britney isn't talentless, just talented in a rather overpopulated area.
She's able to dance and sing, and put up with the remarable amount of crap
that comes with being a big-time MTV star.  However, a fair number of people
(myself included) like to see people who can write their own (interesting,
natch) material instead of just being the face of a commercial process.

Britney is sort of like a pro wrestler; those guys don't really do anything
original or even real, but in the process they do some pretty impressive stuff
like being thrown onto their back from several feet in the air.  Sure the
stage is padded and bouncy, but would *you* want to try doing it?
senna
response 58 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 22:08 UTC 2001

It's not that padded.  It *is* quite bouncy.  People enjoy watching them do
20 foot drops onto harder surfaces, though.
russ
response 59 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 01:19 UTC 2001

Padded and bouncy?  Are we talking about Ms. Spears or someone/thing else?
gelinas
response 60 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 05:38 UTC 2001

Both. :)
micklpkl
response 61 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 15:40 UTC 2001

It appears that the filters Napster has been required to use might be working.
I had an e-mail this morning from a trading friend on the ecto list, and she
claims that out of thousands of files she should be sharing, only 132 are
showing up in filtered Napster. She states that the new filters block out the
names Kate Bush (though not Kate, or Bush [which I find hard to believe], or
Bush, Kate), Tori Amos (with similiar exceptions), and any file with the word
"Happy" in it. 

The end of an era, indeed.
goose
response 62 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 18:11 UTC 2001

from: http://chronicle.com/free/2001/04/2001042601t.htm

Pressured by Music Industry, a Researcher Is Expected to Scrub Encryption
Speech

By ANDREA L. FOSTER 
A Princeton University computer scientist who had planned to give a speech
this morning about unscrambling encrypted digital music is instead expected
to talk about why the recording industry won't let him discuss his research
publicly. 
The researcher, Edward W. Felten, was scheduled to address an international
conference in Pittsburgh at 10 a.m. and to talk about how he and his
colleagues from Princeton and Rice Universities had succeeded in breaking
codes, known as "watermarks," that were created to protect digital music from
unauthorized copying. His talk was to have been published as part of the
conference proceedings. 
But the Secure Digital Music Initiative, an organization working to prevent
the dissemination of copyrighted music, warned Mr. Felten this month not to
discuss his research. In an April 9 letter, the organization said that if he
did so, he would be "facilitating and encouraging the attack of copyrighted
content" and would be violating an agreement that he and other scientists had
made with the group. (A version of the letter was published on the
Cryptome.org Web site.) 
The organization, known as S.D.M.I., said that he would be flouting the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act and that he and his research team could face
"enforcement actions under the D.M.C.A. and possibly other federal laws." The
recording industry maintains that the copyright act prohibits the distribution
of data designed to circumvent copyright protections. 
The S.D.M.I. letter noted that Mr. Felten and his colleagues had cracked the
digital encryption code because of a challenge offered by the organization.
By accepting that challenge, the researchers agreed not to jeopardize the
integrity of encryption technologies, the letter said. 
But the researchers, in an online document labeled "Frequently Asked
Questions," say they waived all rights to a cash prize so they could later
publish their findings. The also say the Digital Millennium Copyright Act does
not apply to the challenge because S.D.M.I. granted researchers "explicit
permission to study" the encryption technology. 
Mr. Felten was on his way to the conference Wednesday afternoon and could not
be reached for comment. A Princeton spokesman would not say whether Mr. Felten
planned to reveal his research. But a source who asked not to be identified
said that the professor was planning to keep mum on his findings, and would
probably discuss only the reasons for Princeton's decision. 
Researchers and lawyers for Princeton and for the Secure Digital Music
Initiative have been busy negotiating this week over whether and how Mr.
Felten could present his findings. 
The conference, called the 4th International Information Hiding Workshop,
began Wednesday and is set to end Friday. Researchers are discussing
technologies designed to keep digital information hidden. 
jp2
response 63 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 18:20 UTC 2001

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other
response 64 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 20:37 UTC 2001

Obviously the law which prevents the communication of information 
(speech) which could be used to defeat copyright protection is 
unconstitutional on its face.

The logical choice is to proceed with the address, and make the 
prosecution a test case to overturn the DMCA.

The copyright concept protects the creator's right to profit from their 
creative efforts, not the means by which the creations are protected.  If 
the means are insufficient, then they should be adapted. 
krj
response 65 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 20:50 UTC 2001

I'm glad you feel that the DMCA is "unconstitutional on its face."
I'm sure Eric Corley/Emmanuel Goldstein, the publisher of "2600," will also
be glad to know this, since he's lost all legal procedings in the DeCSS 
case so far.

http://www.inside.com had an essay by Roger Parloff yesterday arguing that 
the RIAA/SDMI attack on an academic was a masterpiece of bad timing, 
since the Corley/2600 case goes up before an appeals panel next week.
Corley is seen as an unsympathetic defendant by the court because of his 
hacking background -- even though 2600 is a traditional paper publication 
presumably protected by the first amendment -- but with Leonard Felten 
the anti-DMCA forces now have a clear case of the law being used to chill
speech which should be protected.
 
The link will probably only work for a day or so, inside.com moves stuff 
to the subscriber-only area pretty fast these days.

http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=29356&pod_id=13
brighn
response 66 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 20:52 UTC 2001

#64, para 1: the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the "freedom of
speech" clause of the First Amendment does not apply to every single act of
speech. There are many contexts in which other societal factors play as
important a part, and may mitigate freedom of speech. Relevant examples in
this case would be encouraging people to engage in illicit activities,
although to my knowledge, I believe those are generally protected (IANAL).
So, while I agree that the law is unconstitutional, I disagree with its
obviousness.

Copyright protects the creator's right to decide how their work is presented,
as well.
krj
response 67 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 21:06 UTC 2001

Moving sideways, here's an interview with the CEO of Real Networks
about the subscription music plans (Napster replacements) Real is 
working on with the major labels.
 
  http://www.latimes.com/business/20010426/t000035201.html

Note the broad hint that users of such services will be expected to keep 
paying their monthly subscription fees if they want to keep playing the songs 
they have downloaded.
 
I still expect consumers to reject anything which comes with noticable 
"Digital Rights Management" packaging.
mcnally
response 68 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 26 22:40 UTC 2001

  Until/unless they come up with a "rights management" scheme which looks
  nothing like the ones introduced up until now, I agree with Ken.  

  Everything proposed so far has been nightmarishly bad from a user-experience
  standpoint -- inconvenient, confusing, anti-privacy, unreliable, etc..
  None of the current schemes have even a remote chance of succeeding in a
  marketplace where there is any competition at all from unencrypted media
  and, as much as they might want to at this point, the record companies
  can't uninvent the CD, nor can they easily stop selling them.
russ
response 69 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 00:40 UTC 2001

Re #62:  The censorship thing came up on Slashdot yesterday or the
day before.

Anyone want a copy of the paper?  It's on cryptome.org. ;-)

(When is the RIAA going to learn that you can't obtain security
through obscurity?  And how many toes are they going to shoot off
before they do?)
gull
response 70 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 01:17 UTC 2001

Re #66: Hasn't the Supreme Court ruled that computer programs are not 
"speech"?

I think people will probably reject any "rights management" system that 
makes them pay repeatedly for the same piece of content, or that 
prevents them from using a piece of content on multiple players without 
paying for each one.  People like being able to buy a CD and play it at 
home, in the car, and at work, for example.  It's the sneaky ones that 
will succeed, like that plan to selectively damage CDs to make them 
unusable in CD-ROM drives.  This has a precident in Macrovision, which 
is a violation of the NTSC specification and caused problems for some 
VCRs when it was introduced.
jp2
response 71 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 02:03 UTC 2001

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krj
response 72 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 03:10 UTC 2001

USA Today has a big piece today trumpeting the commercial arrival 
of WMA, Windows Media Audio, with players pictured from Rio and Intel.
"When you 'rip,' or copy, a song from a CD into the WMA format...
copyright-protecting "digital rights management" tools are automatically
inserted into the music file."  Microsoft and the big music business 
hope to get you to swallow this with claims that file size is cut by 
50%, and sound quality is improved, compared to MP3 files.

The USA Today writer encountered issues with downloading the DRM files 
into  the portable players.

Sorry I don't have a URL, I'm reading from the dead tree edition.
krj
response 73 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 17:21 UTC 2001

Sorry this is sort of turning into a weblog, for those who are bored by 
such things....

http://www.latimes.com/business/20010426/t000035197.html

"Napster Filters Cost It 20% Of Its Users In March."

One select quote:  "Despite the drop ((in usage)), 18% of U.S. Internet 
users visited Napster's web site or used its music-sharing system in March."
goose
response 74 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 17:39 UTC 2001

Well they wimped out...
goose
response 75 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 17:40 UTC 2001

er....

<< A group of computer scientists at Princeton and Rice universities has
 decided to withdraw an academic paper that was to be presented at a 
 conference this week, because the Recording Industry Association of
 America said that public presentation of the work would violate the
 Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, because it would describe how
 to evade the systems used to protect copyrighted music. Princeton
 computer scientist Edward W. Felton explained the group's decision by
 saying: "Litigation is costly, time-consuming, and uncertain, regardless
 of the merits of the other side's case. We remain committed to free
 speech and to the value of scientific debate to our country and the
 world." John McHugh of Software Engineering Institute at Carnegie Mellon
 University commented: "This was an excellent technical paper. This was
 pure and simple intimidation. This paper didn't do anything that a
 bright technical person couldn't easily reproduce." (New York Times 27
 Apr 2001) http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/27/technology/27MUSI.html >>
brighn
response 76 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 17:48 UTC 2001

You're right! How dare they... all they had to risk was their careers, and
years of litigation with one of the most powerful cartels in the world, and
you had so much to gain... the right to "borrow" music with greater ease.

SOME people are so selfish. They should be ashamed of themselves.
goose
response 77 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 18:33 UTC 2001

Some of us see this as much more than "the right to 'borrow' music"

To think that's all it is to me is quite presumptious. :-P

Note: I make my living in the recording industry.
brighn
response 78 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 18:40 UTC 2001

I'm quite presumptious, and have never denied that. ;}

My point was, to call somebody a 'wimp' for not wanting to put their entire
life on the line is also presumptious. Some people just don't have the mettle
to be that kind of hero.
gull
response 79 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 27 23:32 UTC 2001

Yup.  Unfortunately, because they aren't willing to do that, we may all lose
another little chunk of our first amendment rights.  In the same situation,
I think my decision would be the same, though.  No individual has the kind
of deep pockets you need to fight the RIAA.
krj
response 80 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 28 04:42 UTC 2001

News story in many sources: I have it here from the Associated Press
via http://www.sfgate.com :

Trial court judge Marilyn Patel "essentially threw up her hands and 
appealed for help" regarding the Napster preliminary injunction.
She said she cannot do anything to make Napster's filtering 
process more effective, and she invited the RIAA to return to the 
appeals court panel to "seek clarification," which probably means
to get a ruling with more teeth in it.
dbratman
response 81 of 143: Mark Unseen   Apr 28 21:13 UTC 2001

How often has it happened in the U.S. that a scientist has withdrawn 
research results, previously expected to be published, under threat of 
legal action?  Regardless of the fate of copyrighted music, THIS is a 
very sad event for freedom of speech.

Sure, those research results could be used for nefarious purposes.  If 
that's the concern, then I expect the follow-up to include a clean 
sweep of all murder mysteries from the bookshelves of the land.
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