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keesan
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response 57 of 194:
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Aug 20 13:56 UTC 1999 |
Thank you. Can anyone fill in the names and dates of any of the composer in
/a/k/e/keesan/RECORDS.99? And suggest any good works that I have missed?
And how do I change whether a file is readable or writable?
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rcurl
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response 58 of 194:
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Aug 20 16:34 UTC 1999 |
With the unix command chmod. You can look it up with the command
man chmod at a unix prompt. The format is, for example,
chmod 644 <filename>
The number is a string of octal numbers. The first place (6) is
permission for you, the second (4) for the group, and the last (4)
for all others.
Each octal number represents a binary number. 6 = 110, 4 = 100, etc. A 1
in the first place is an "on" for read permission; a 1 in the second place
is an "on" for write permission; a 1 in the last place is an "on" for
execution permission (for programs).
Thus, 644 is personal read and write permission, but only read permission
for others. 600 would produce a file depermitted for all others.
The rules are a trifle different for directories.
In your directory you see 644 written as -rw-r--r--, where rw- is the same
as 110, and r-- is 100. Directories have to be executable, so you will see
the x at the end, e.g., drwx--x--x = 711 is the permission for a directory
that you have complete access to but others cannot read but they can read
files in the directory (if you give them the file name). The common
directory permission is 755, which allows others to read the directory
file list as well as read files in the directory.
(I wrote this tutorial to remind myself of the rules!)
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keesan
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response 59 of 194:
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Aug 20 23:26 UTC 1999 |
This is beyond me. I discovered that I can read and write to files in my home
directory, and read but not write to those in Jim's. If I ever need to make
my files unreadable I will figure this out. Or not post private info there.
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krj
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response 60 of 194:
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Aug 21 08:27 UTC 1999 |
Two personal favorites which I don't find in keesan's list:
Beethoven's 9th Symphony
Stravinsky's Firebird Suite (not the entire ballet, which I find tedious)
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oddie
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response 61 of 194:
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Aug 23 05:03 UTC 1999 |
Keesan, there is another way of using `chmod' which I find easier.
Instead of the octal numbers you use a three-part code.
The first part of the code contains a combination of: `u' for the owner
(yourself), `g' for the owner's group, `o' for everyone not in the group.
On a system like Grex, you can probably just lump `o' and `g' together
to refer to all users excluding the owner.
The first part can also be simply `a' to refer to everyone with an account
on the system.
The second part is either `+' to enable the permission or `-' to take
it away.
The third character stands for which permission: `r' for read, `w' for write,
or `x' for execute. There are a couple of others too, but they probably aren't
important to anyone except programmers and admins.
The most common cases would be:
chmod a+r <file> ; to make the file readable by all
chmod og-r <file> ; to make the file readable by only the owner
(you are taking read permissions away from the `g'roup
and `o'thers; it doesn't matter to the command whether
they had them in the first place or not)
chmod a+w <file> ; to make the file writable by all (probably not
a good idea)
chmod og-w <file> ; to make the file writable by only the owner
I hope this was helpful.
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coyote
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response 62 of 194:
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Aug 23 17:15 UTC 1999 |
Here is some of the composer info you wanted, and a few personal
recommendations--none of them are baroque, but perhaps you'll give them a
listen.
Georges Bizet (1838-1875)
Max Bruch (1838-1920)
Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1634-1704)
Frederic Chopin (1810-1849)
Chopin wrote many sets of wonderful solo piano music, and I'd recommend
listening to his Etudes, Ballades, and Nocturnes for a start.
Claude Debussy (1862-1918)
Debussy wrote some Nocturnes as well, but his are for orchestra. Give
them a listen.
Paul Dukas (1865-1935)
Antonin Dvorak (1841-1904)
Georges Enesco (1881-1955)
Gabriel Faure (1845-1924)
Faure wrote some fantastic chamber music. One of my favorites is his
opus 120 trio for violin, cello, and piano.
Christoph Gluck (1714-1797)
Edvard Grieg (1843-1907)
Try the Piano Concerto (A minor, I believe).
Zoltan Kodaly (1882-1967)
Edouard Lalo (1823-1892)
Gustav Mahler (1860-1911)
Marin Marais (1656-1728)
Felix Mendelssohn (1809-1847)
Modest Mossorgsky (1839-1881)
Niccolo Paganini (1782-1840)
Sergey Rachmaninoff (1873-1943)
I love Rachmaninoff's music. Some things to try are his other piano
concerti (there are four in all), the preludes for piano, and symphony
no. 2
Ottorino Respighi (1879-1936)
Respighi wrote a whole "Roman triptych", which consists of The Pines
of Rome, The Fountains of Romes, and Roman Festivals. My favorite of
them is The Pines of Rome.
Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov (1844-1908)
Camille Saint-Saens (1835-1921)
Johann Strauss the Younger (1825-1899)
Igor Stravinsky (1882-1971)
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keesan
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response 63 of 194:
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Aug 26 04:07 UTC 1999 |
Many thanks for all the information about changing read and write permssions,
and all those dates and suggestions. I print-screened it all (Yes I know how
to extract an item but it is too much work). I have all nine Beethoven
Symphonies, two of most of them, and have sung the Ninth, just forgot to list
them for some reason.
Kiwanis has classical LPs for 10 and 25 cents, so I just borrowed $5.60
worth to test out and see if I can tell apart the same piece played by
different performers. Most are in excellent condition. The more expensive
LPs ( up to a dollar) tend to be more recent popular stuff. You would not
believe the number of records of Tijuana Brass! (Also in the ten cent area).
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omni
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response 64 of 194:
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Aug 26 06:34 UTC 1999 |
TJ Brass? I'm a big fan, however I only have 4 of thier albums
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krj
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response 65 of 194:
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Aug 31 15:50 UTC 1999 |
((I would indeed believe the number of Tijuana Brass albums turning up
at Kiwanis. I vaguely recall they were the #3 selling band of the
1960s. Sometime I should see if any of the Kiwanis TJB
LPs are in better shape than some of the copies I have. :)
Should we start a TJB item in the Music conference, omni?))
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omni
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response 66 of 194:
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Aug 31 16:51 UTC 1999 |
Sure.
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keesan
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response 67 of 194:
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Sep 21 01:23 UTC 1999 |
I have collected some Chopin (piano sonatas 2 and 3, 4 ballades, Piano
Concerto 2), Rachmaninoff (Concerto 2 and Symphony 1 and Symphonic Dances)
and now Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies 1 and 2 and Enesco's Romanian Rhapsodies
1 and 2. Thanks for the suggestions.
What else did Enesco and Liszt write, and were there other good Romanian and
Hungarian composers besides Bartok? Has anyone heard of any Bulgarian or
Yugoslav classical composers? Polish other than Chopin? Czech other than
Dvorak, Smetana?
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md
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response 68 of 194:
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Sep 21 02:06 UTC 1999 |
Hungarian: Kodaly, Ligeti, Dohnanyi
Polish: Lutoslawski, Penderecki, Gorecki
Those are the ones whose music I've liked
enough to have on disc, anyway. Antal Dorati,
who was better-known as a conductor, wrote a
symphony that I like very much. He was
Hungarian. When you talk about Hungarians,
you probably need to distinguish the Magyars
from the Szekelers, which I can't do for you
except to say that Bartok boasted of being a
Magyar.
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keesan
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response 69 of 194:
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Sep 21 17:37 UTC 1999 |
Magyar is the Hungarian word for Hungarian.
Janacek is Czech. Which of the above were pre-20th century?
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md
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response 70 of 194:
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Sep 21 23:18 UTC 1999 |
They're all 20th century.
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keesan
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response 71 of 194:
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Oct 8 18:47 UTC 1999 |
How does one change a mono recording to stereo?
I found a library book listing the author's fifty favorite composers, starting
with Bach, Mozart and Beethoven. (talk request, bye for now)
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omni
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response 72 of 194:
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Oct 9 16:56 UTC 1999 |
You don't. Mono is mono, and will never be stereo.
Well, you CAN, but then you would need some sophisticated equipment, and
even then you may not get true stereo. My impression is that the piece needs
to be recorded in stereo to be stereo.
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md
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response 73 of 194:
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Oct 10 02:14 UTC 1999 |
I agree. Some amplifiers have settings called
"simulated stereo" and "simulated surround" that
add a reverberation effect, and in some cases
shift the bass to one channel and the treble to
the other, but it never sounds like the real thing.
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keesan
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response 74 of 194:
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Oct 11 16:39 UTC 1999 |
I have records that were 'digitally remastered' from mono to stereo.
Toscanini performances. How did they do this?
Would anyone else besides the author of my book want to list who they consider
to be the top 50 (or at least top 10) classical composers? I will refrain
from posting #4 and beyond for a while. This author heavily favored the 19th
century and listed only Palestrina as a good Renaissance composer. He
apparently felt obliged to include a few 20th century composers. 0 women.
Were there any women composers before 1900? Have there been any since then?
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omni
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response 75 of 194:
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Oct 11 17:07 UTC 1999 |
Vinyl records are pressed from what is called a "master" which is
essentially a reverse record. The "remastering" usually involves adding
a second channel to the master tape, then recutting a new master disk for
pressing from the new master tape. The tape in this case is usually 16 track
with 8 being devoted to each channel.
Telarc Records of Cleveland uses a unique process in which they do most
of the mastering in the studio or concert hall as the piece is being recorded
thus forgoing the need for additional tweaking. The result is magnificent.
With the advent of CD's, the technology has gotten more and more
sophisticated. There are DDD disks which use all digital equipment to produce
the CD, and AAD which employs analog tape, but digital recording to the disks.
Try Clara Shubert.
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dbratman
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response 76 of 194:
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Oct 13 18:07 UTC 1999 |
I think that by "Clara Shubert" is meant Clara Schumann, wife of Robert.
She wrote some music of her own: it's fairly good, if you like stuff
that's vaguely a cross between Robert's music and the Chopin/Liszt
school.
There are in fact many pre-20th century women composers, but no
undiscovered masterpieces have come to my hearing, though some pleasant
enough works have. This isn't a slight against women: great composers
are much rarer than great writers, partly because extensive musical
training is almost always needed to express one's gift. Consequently
"mute inglorious Miltons" are probably legion, and since, as feminism
has taught us, women have always been slighted in the educational
sweepstakes, it's only logical that gifted women will be even less
likely to get the chance to write masterpieces.
Equally no wonder, then, that the number of significant women composers
in the 20th century is much greater. My favorite living woman composer
is Ellen Taafe Zwilich, a fine craftswoman in the Copland/Barber
tradition. And nobody interested in the more intriguing exotica of
modern music should fail to check out the truly strange Russian, Galina
Ustvolskaya.
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albaugh
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response 77 of 194:
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Oct 15 04:31 UTC 1999 |
OK, some "top" composers: JS Bach, WA Mozart, LV Beethoven (BTW, those
3 made A&E's "top 100 people of the millennium, so they *must* be
great, right? ;-). I guess you get into a debate of quality vs.
quantity (with some acceptable level of quality). I think that
Tchaikovsky should probably be on the list. Rimsky-Korsakov,
Stravinsky, Shostakovich are some other top-notch Russkies. For sheer
output, you have Hadyn and Telemann. I guess I'd be more comfortable
with a "top 50" rather than "top 10", as you could then bring in a lot
more without having to weigh QvQ issues so much... And don't forget
some truly brilliant composers most frequently associated with jazz,
but "crossovers": George Gershwin and Duke Ellington.
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krj
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response 78 of 194:
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Oct 15 05:53 UTC 1999 |
Another Polish composer, 20th Century: Szymanowski. I only know of
him because Leslie sang in the chorus for his opera "King Roger."
I don't have a good grasp of how mono recordings were turned into
fake stereo, but it was quite common for maybe two decades, a legacy
from the era when the word "stereo" meant that the recording had to be
better than a recording with the word "mono." Audiophiles whined
constantly about fake stereo reissues of old monaural recordings,
and maybe around 1980-ish the record companies started to put out
their historical reissues in mono, when that was what they had for
the original master. "Electronically reprocessed STEREO" is now
pretty dead and buried, as far as I can tell.
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keesan
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response 79 of 194:
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Oct 15 16:17 UTC 1999 |
Feel free to list a top 50, as the book did. I found another book on great
composers listing the top 26. To shorten the list they omitted the
Renaissance, confined the Baroque to Bach and Handel, and shortened the 20th
Century to Stravinsky, Bartok, Ravel, and the additional Holst and Gershwin.
They also added Offenbach and Elgar and Rachmaninov, not on the first list.
A major omission was Wagner, number 4 in the first book! 'Great' meant
different things to the two authors, obviously. I suspect the first author
was doing a list of historically important figures, as he included von Weber
(who sounds just like a parody by Mozart). He had some pretty nasty things
to say about Wagner, but included him anyway. The second author chose
composers of broadly-appreciated music, omitting Richard Strauss but including
Gershwin.
So was the fake stereo produced by playing high sounds in one channel and low
sounds in the other? I will listen to my recording and make guesses.
What do people think of music that requires a story-line to listen to it?
(Tone poems, ballets, movie music). Some composers seem to have specialized
in it. I don't get the point of listening to movie music sans movie.
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rcurl
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response 80 of 194:
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Oct 15 19:54 UTC 1999 |
You would probably get a fake stereo if one channel was slightly time
shifts. At least, it would sound a little echo-like.
I liken mono to listening to music through a hole in the wall, and
stereo to listening to it through two holes in the wall.
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keesan
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response 81 of 194:
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Oct 16 01:25 UTC 1999 |
We listen to records through a hole in the wall called the kitchen door,
actually it has to pass through two doors and around three corners. I think
the high notes probably get somewhat attenuated. Maybe I should turn up the
treble?
Just heard Handel's Dixit Dominus. Did Handel write any bad music?
Aren't two ears also two holes in the wall?
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