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bru
response 57 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 23:52 UTC 2006

thats a red herring tod.  Any management company in the USA that wanted to
run the ports could have purchased this company just as well as the UAE
company did.  China runs many west coast ports, that doesn't mean they have
free access in and out of the ports, just that they manage the port and
collect the profit.
tod
response 58 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 00:33 UTC 2006

Should we give our airport traffic control management to UAE, Bruce?
You're going to tell me that managing a port doesn't also include determining
budget and with that the security infrastructure and hiring practices?
That's not a concern to you?
tod
response 59 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 00:39 UTC 2006

Snow was chairman of the CSX rail firm that sold its own international port
operations to DP World for $1.15 billion in 2004, the year after Snow left
for President Bush's cabinet.
The other connection is David Sanborn, who runs DP World's European and Latin
American operations and who was tapped by Bush last month to head the U.S.
Maritime Administration.

This is seriously conflict of interest, imo.  Where is the Ethics Committee?
gull
response 60 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 07:56 UTC 2006

Re resp:6: I think there's a big difference between a publicly held 
foreign company, and a company that's an arm of a foreign government -- 
especially a repressive monarchy.  (Frankly, I don't think *any* 
foreign interest running a U.S. port is a great idea, but there are 
degrees of badness here.) 
 
What troubles me is that while I oppose this deal for the above 
reasons, I feel like some of the other people opposing it are doing it 
for racist reasons.  That troubles me. 
 
I think Bush should have seen this one coming.  He's spent most of his 
Presidency trying to keep us frightened of threats from the Middle 
East.  How did he *think* people would react to a country based there 
wanting to take over some of our most vulnerable infrastructure? 
klg
response 61 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 12:00 UTC 2006

Hey.  This grex place ain't so bad after all.  I mean, with all of the 
anti-Arab ethnic profilers.  Whodathunk?
tod
response 62 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 16:24 UTC 2006

John Snow is a semite?
happyboy
response 63 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 17:49 UTC 2006

r61 nice try.


tell us why clinton didn't kill osama in '99, boner.

who was in the camp visiting him?

*hint: dubai port bigshot and about 1/2 of their royal family

betcha they were giving osama money at that little mountain 
party.

what current president has MONEY ties to the port
folks in dubai?



tod
response 64 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 18:49 UTC 2006

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters have scheduled a rally in 20 cities
across the United States today in protest of the Bush administration
agreement to allow Dubai Ports World to take over some operations at six US
seaports.
happyboy
response 65 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 19:14 UTC 2006

today, we are all stevedores!
tod
response 66 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 19:30 UTC 2006

February 23, 2006

Join the Teamsters for .Goodbye Dubai: Secure America.s Ports. rallies at
ports around the country on Friday, February 24, 2006.  The rallies will take
place at noon in each of the following cities:

Baltimore, Maryland 
Boston, Massachusetts 
Charleston, South Carolina 
Chicago, Illinois 
Detroit, Michigan 
Houston, Texas 
Los Angeles, California 
Miami, Florida 
Newark, New Jersey 
New Bedford, Massachusetts 
New Orleans, Louisiana 
Norfolk, Virginia 
Oakland, California 
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 
Port Hueneemee, California 
Portland, Oregon 
Savannah, Georgia 
Seattle, Washington 
Wilmington, Delaware 

Call the Teamsters Port Division at (202) 624-8704 for specific location
information
jep
response 67 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 19:55 UTC 2006

Can anything opposed by the Gangsters... I mean, Teamsters, sorry... 
really be so bad for the country?
tod
response 68 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 20:16 UTC 2006

How about your son dying in Baghdad.
jep
response 69 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:02 UTC 2006

I wasn't aware the Teamsters had a position on American elementary 
school kids dying in Baghdad.  Are they for that, or against it?
tod
response 70 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:11 UTC 2006

Depends if you think UAE is a threat to national security.
jep
response 71 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:18 UTC 2006

Is Baghdad in the UAE?  I thought it was in Iraq.
tod
response 72 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:26 UTC 2006

You know McCarthy's daughter had Down's Syndrome.  I think he suffocated her
with a pillow when she was 20 or something like that.  He did it for his
country.
jep
response 73 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:40 UTC 2006

Someone is sure having a hard time following the conversation.

Could be me, I guess.
edina
response 74 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:42 UTC 2006

Of course it's you.  You're a conservative, ergo you are wrong.

;-)
tod
response 75 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 21:50 UTC 2006

My examples are from the GW book of "Shock, shag, and Awe" where we ignore
Mugabe in Zimbabwe and pretend Saddam is the baddest man on the Earth (cuz
we didn't find any WMD.)  Meanwhile, all our foreign policies are actually
based on any money deals we can grab for our Arab business partners of the
past.
i
response 76 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 13:35 UTC 2006

Considering how long this fuss has lasted, i don't see any explanation
except willfully ignorant efforts to look like stupid, bigoted jingoists
fitting the facts.

That's about a comforting as seeing the politicians involved show up at
Klan rallies and talk loudly about "protecting white rights".

Has any mainstream American media outlet shown any interest in the facts
yet, or is "Two-headed Bat-boy Born in Cave!" selling too well for them
to bother with any stupid facts?
rcurl
response 77 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 19:50 UTC 2006

I'm still waiting for the facts. A few have come out, such as there will be
no change in local administration and employment - but I'm not sure how much
I believe what some have said to that effect. I'd like the whole story. I'm
not even sure *why* foreign companies manage any of our ports. Who is paying
who less to do what?
gull
response 78 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 06:27 UTC 2006

I just think it's funny to see Bush hoist by his own petard.  When he 
was busy making sure were were scared of those Ay-rabs he should have 
thought about the effect it'd have on business deals with 'em. 
klg
response 79 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 12:11 UTC 2006

Although, it shows a lot more about, to quote Chas. Krauthammer, "those 
idiots in Congress."
bru
response 80 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 13:16 UTC 2006

Heard some more on this today from an ex-CIA analyst.  He says that the CIA
knew Bin Laden was seeking a Nuke to use against the U.S. in 1996, and that
the CIA was in position 10 times to take him out before 9/11.  Do you remember
the Clinton irdered air strike on the abandoned camp in 1999?  Seems that
Osama was visiting some friends from the Emerite, and someone in the
Administration called and told the Emerites to move becasue they did not want
to have an Emirite prince killed in the strike.  Tehy probably told Osama to
get out of town as well.

So the UAE not only funneled money and other support to the hijackers, they
were close friends of Bin Laden.

Now, that being said, they have done a lot since 9/11 to not perticipate in
any terrorist activities, adn even sent troops to Iraq to help the U.S.
effort.  

They are also allowing Private U.S. companies to build a Spaceport for
Tourism.  I have talked directly to a number of UAE princes and their military
excort last year, adn they struck me as ratehr canny businessmen, but very
attuned to their privelaged status. They do not think highly of americans,
but I get the feeling they don't think highly of anyone who is not an Emerite.
sholmes
response 81 of 154: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 15:34 UTC 2006

>>>> So the UAE not only funneled money and other support to the hijackers,
they were close friends of Bin Laden.

So let's attack Iraq.

>>>>Now, that being said, they have done a lot since 9/11 to not perticipate
in  any terrorist activities, adn even sent troops to Iraq to help the U.S.
effort.

That's like a blank statement , without any proof. How are you absolutely
certain that UAE doesn't support any terrorist activities. Are you similarly
certain about Saudi Arabia ? or Pakistan ? they also are helping the US with
their GOAT ( Global Onslaught Againts Terrorism ).
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