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richard
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response 56 of 119:
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Feb 10 15:45 UTC 2006 |
klg I lived in georgia at the time, Carter's lt. governor was Zell "give'em
hell" Miller, who by the way Carter now calls a traitor. Lester Maddox lost
the 1974 gubernatorial primary BECAUSE CARTER ENDORSED HIS OPPONENT, George
Busbee, who subsequently served two terms as governor.
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klg
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response 57 of 119:
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Feb 10 17:12 UTC 2006 |
Keep shoveling, RW. I guess the Biographical Directory of the U.S.
Congress is also lying:
MILLER, Zell Bryan, (1932 - )
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Senate Years of Service: 2000-2005
Party: Democrat
MILLER, Zell Bryan, a Senator from Georgia; born in Young Harris,
Georgia, on February 24, 1932; graduated Young Harris College 1951;
served in U.S. marine corps 1953-1956; graduated University of Georgia
1957, Masters degree 1958; businessman; professor of political science
and history; mayor of Young Harris 1959-1960; Georgia state senator
1961-1964; member, state Board of Pardons and Paroles 1973-1975;
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA 1975-1991; Governor of Georgia 1991-
1999; appointed on July 24, 2000, as a Democrat to the United States
Senate to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Paul Coverdell; took
the oath of office on July 27, 2000; elected as a Democrat to the
United States Senate in a November 2000 special election for the
remainder of the term ending January 3, 2005; was not a candidate for
election in 2004; member, American Battle Monuments Commission, 2005-.
Are you absolutely certain that Busbee won because of Carter's
endorsement, or are you confusing cause and effect with coincidence
once again???
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rcurl
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response 58 of 119:
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Feb 10 17:54 UTC 2006 |
My research (in Kestenbaum's "Political Graveyard" shows that KLG is
correct. Lester Maddox was Lieutenant Governor of Georgia for the same
period that Jimmy Carter was Governor. In Georgia these are independent
offices and not elected on a joint ticket. The only duty of the LG of
Georgia at the time was to preside over the Georgia Senate. Whatever was
the (uneasy) relation between Carter and Maddox, Carter nevertheless:
"Four years after his defeat, Carter ran for Governor again and won. As
Governor of Georgia, Carter worked hard to heal the state's racial
divisions, announcing in his inaugural address that "the time for racial
discrimination is over." It was an unprecedented statement for a southern
governor, but Carter made good on his words. He increased the number of
African American state employees by 40 percent and hung portraits of
Martin Luther King Jr. and other notable black Georgians in the state
capitol. He equalized the funding of schools in rich and poor districts of
the state, and created new educational facilities for prisoners and the
developmentally disabled."
(http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1)
So any attempt to associate the segregationist policies of Maddox with
Carter is an enormous lie.
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richard
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response 59 of 119:
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Feb 10 18:25 UTC 2006 |
and since klg openly supports many racist politicians, such as Jesse Helms
and Rick Santorum, I find him highly hypocritical to be using that to
criticize Carter. if carter was republican, and had been racist which he's
not, klg couldn't have card less.
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happyboy
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response 60 of 119:
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Feb 10 18:30 UTC 2006 |
he also seems to like
anne "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert
them all to christianity" coulter
klg is a fascist, period.
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cross
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response 61 of 119:
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Feb 10 18:36 UTC 2006 |
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tod
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response 62 of 119:
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Feb 10 18:39 UTC 2006 |
She'd make a good junkie hooker.
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bru
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response 63 of 119:
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Feb 10 19:18 UTC 2006 |
so we invaded another country or two, kicked their asses into submission, and
turned them into democratic states so the people could have a chance at a
descent life. Big deal.
Fact is, despite you whineing, it seems to have worked. Both Iraq and
Afganistan have held free elections and formed governments that are supported
by the majority of the people in those countries. It isn't over yet, adn
won't be over for many years to come. But it does seem to be working.
Jimmy carter FAILED as a president for the most part. Was he a good, God
fearing, descent man? Yes. Was he intelligent? Yes. Was he a weak willed
easily manipulated by foreign powers take action only when cornered president?
YES! What he should have done with Iran was launch an all out invasion
co-ordinated with a massive rescue of the hostages. Because he didn't, Iran
is what it is today, an even bigger threat to world security, and he lost the
election to Ronald Reagan.
A man who they knew would not sit and play paddycake with them for 444 days,
and so they turned their hostages over to him immediately.
Oh, and lest we forget, who was it that set the FBI to investigate and wiretap
and surrvaolance Mr. and Mrs. King? Was it REagan? No. Was it Bush? No.
Was it Nixon? No. Was it John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy and
that hero of the great society Lyndon Baines Johnson? Yes.
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marcvh
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response 64 of 119:
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Feb 10 19:45 UTC 2006 |
Are we to believe that Bru still doesn't know the real story of why Iran
released the hostages?
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tod
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response 65 of 119:
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Feb 10 19:45 UTC 2006 |
so we invaded another country or two, kicked their asses into submission,
turned them into democratic states so the people could have a chance at a
descent life. Big deal.
The big deal is that we never found WMD nor did we capture bin Laden.
The big deal is that 19 of the hijackers were Sauds and we never held
the Sauds under the same sort of scrutiny for being an Axis of Evil nor
for being an Enemy of Freedom - yet, they ARE.
The big deal is the American military lives lost in Iraq under false pretenses
of stopping Hussein from the buildup of his imminently threatening WMD.
The big deal is the 25% UNACCOUNTED FOR of $100 billion spent on Iraq yet
our own country continues to be whittled down to ill retards due to the cuts
in education, healthcare, VA benefits, and pollution.
The big deal is we did NOT kick anyone's ass into submission. Maybe you
haven't noticed, but election results turned out in favor of CLERICS.
The big deal is that a decent life should start at home first and its
becoming just the opposite.
How can you say Big Deal?
I shall respond Big Deal when the war veterans run these GOP thieves out of
their offices and corporations and high paid executives are footing their
share of the bills in this country rather than exporting the entire
manufacturing economy out from under us and polluting our planet.
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richard
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response 66 of 119:
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Feb 10 19:50 UTC 2006 |
bru do you know how many people would have died in a full scale "all out"
invasion of Iran?! Carter even said that the Pentagon brass wanted him to
nuke Tehran, and waste it like Hiroshima. But that would have killed all the
hostages, and for what? Revenge?
Carter brought the hostages home alive. All of them. Fewer american military
personnel lost their lives during the four years of the Carter presidency than
under any other President searving a four year term in american history.
Compare that to Bush, when we have soldiers coming home in flag draped coffins
by the dozens.
The war in Iraq is NOT a success, we are losing. The democracy over there
is meaningless because the constitution subordinates it to islamic law, and
anyway it will crumble the minute we leave.
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mcnally
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response 67 of 119:
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Feb 10 19:51 UTC 2006 |
re #63:
Holy shit! I can't believe that's meant seriously, even coming from bru.
> so we invaded another country or two, kicked their asses into
> submission, and turned them into democratic states so the people
> could have a chance at a descent life. Big deal. Fact is, despite
> you whineing, it seems to have worked.
And what a roaring success it's been, what with the rose petals and
the statue toppling and the joyous greeting of the liberators.
What the hell war have *you* been watching, Bruce?
You do, totally by accident, turn an apt phrase, when you write about
giving the people of Iraq and Afghanistan a chance at "a descent life."
Because that's what many of them will be getting -- a descent into
even more nightmarish conditions than the awfulness they started with.
> and [Carter] lost the election to Ronald Reagan. A man who [Iran]
> knew would not sit and play paddycake with them for 444 days,
> and so they turned their hostages over to him immediately.
Actually, it's precisely because of Reagan's willingness to placate
Iran (by illegally selling them weapons!) that the hostages were
released when they were. You don't even remember Iran-Contra, do you?
> Oh, and lest we forget, who was it that set the FBI to investigate
> and wiretap and surrvaolance Mr. and Mrs. King? Was it John F.
> Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy and that hero of the great
> society Lyndon Baines Johnson? Yes.
Got any evidence that those presidents ordered the wiretapping,
as opposed to J. Edgar Hoover, who was (in those days) basically
running the FBI however he saw fit?
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richard
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response 68 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:00 UTC 2006 |
And Carter would have been reelected easily IF the hostage rescue mission had
succeeded, and if there hadn't been a gas shortage that year.
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tod
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response 69 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:03 UTC 2006 |
Iran-Contra put the USA into the mess its in right now. Bush was involved
from the start.
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marcvh
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response 70 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:11 UTC 2006 |
I also would think that pro-Israeli partisans would at least give Carter
some credit for the Camp David Accords.
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klg
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response 71 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:24 UTC 2006 |
ARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES
The hostages in Iran were released after Reagan became president.
....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICH
The Camp David Accords were a success??? Must have been. Look at how
well things are going over there now.
You mean that if Carter had been a good president, he might have been
re-elected, but since he was a terrible president he wasn't?? Can't
disagree there.
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keesan
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response 72 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:25 UTC 2006 |
Doesn't anyone care about the killing of Iraqis and Iranis?
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klg
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response 73 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:28 UTC 2006 |
Well, Saddam Hussein certainly did. He cared about killing as many as
possible.
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richard
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response 74 of 119:
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Feb 10 20:59 UTC 2006 |
re #71 I didn't say a thing about the hostages getting released AFTER Reaagn
became President. klg is hallucinating. Although Reagan DID announce their
release after he took the oath of office.
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klg
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response 75 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:06 UTC 2006 |
richard
Richard J. Wallner
response 66 of 74: Feb 10 14:50 EST 2006
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bru do you know how many people would have died in a full scale "all
out" invasion of Iran?! Carter even said that the Pentagon brass
wanted him to nuke Tehran, and waste it like Hiroshima. But that would
have killed all the hostages, and for what? Revenge?
Carter brought the hostages home alive.
Pardon me for misunderstanding the "Carter brought the hostages home
alive." How was I to know you were only kidding?
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richard
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response 76 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:14 UTC 2006 |
Carter DID bring the hostages home alive, they came home alive BECAUSE OF HIM.
He negotiated the deal.
Not Reagan.
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tod
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response 77 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:18 UTC 2006 |
"See....well....there you go again...."
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marcvh
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response 78 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:18 UTC 2006 |
The Camp David Accords made peace between Israel and Egypt. Twenty-five
years later there is still peace between Israel and Egypt. They did not
result in complete peace and harmony in the entire region with all the
children joining hands and singing as golden silk streamed out their
asses, granted. But I don't think that even kludge would try to argue
that the world would be a better place if they had never happened.
Reagan negotiated with hostage-takers and rewarded them for their
behavior, and once that precedent was established we saw more and
more hostage-taking in the future.
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tod
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response 79 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:22 UTC 2006 |
Reagan opened that pandora's box by letting Poindexter run a 2 for 1 sale
through the NSA. GW is kinda doing the same thing with the Sauds and soon
with the Iraqis but we won't be hearing about it til he's out of office.
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richard
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response 80 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:25 UTC 2006 |
Im hard pressed to see why klg hates Carter, since klg wants a theocracy, and
Carter was a born again christian, the first one to be president, who probably
prayed before every decision he ever made in office. Carter was also a
centerist who took a hard line towards the Soviet Union (grain embargo,
olympic boycott .etc)
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