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anderyn
response 55 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 21 13:32 UTC 1998

Yah, her traditional music is good, and I rather like her version
of the "Highwayman". She does tend to get off into a Celtic fae mood
a bit often, but on the other hand, I happen to *like* Celtic fae stuff
when I'm in the mood for it, and her music is just right for those 
moods, being not too New Age-y and mushy.
remmers
response 56 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 21 17:06 UTC 1998

Sindi specifically mentioned recently-composed music in #0, so
I've been holding off bringing up ragtime, most of which was
written between 1895 and 1920. Nonetheless, there is contemporary
music in the ragtime style that a classical music lover might
enjoy, e.g. the compositions of William Bolcolm, Glenn Jenks,
Frank French, Peter Lundberg, Bob Milne, and others.

I'll provide more detail later when I have more time, if there's
interest.
steve
response 57 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 04:23 UTC 1998

  Sindi, great item.  I'm just coming to the music conference finally,
after not having been able to make the time for a while.

  The following are all things I've given to friends who are classical
music people who've frowned on other forms of music.  Not all liked
all the things I loaned out, but at least I've never received any
gagging motions from them upon getting the CD's back.

  For jazz, I'd say look at Jean Luc Ponty, from Canada.  He is still
making music today, and has been for about 20 years now, I think.  A
german group which has disbanded is Passport, headed by Klaus
Doldinger.  Very good stuff there.

  For rock, listen to the early music of Yes.  Their offerings from
the 70's such as "Going for the One", "Fragile" and "Tormato" are
wonderful.  They are my all time favorite 'rock' music, but that
doesn't do them justice.  Among Yes fanatics there is a strong
coorelation with a liking of classical, myself included.

  Also called Rock, but more like folk are three albumns by Jethro
Tull.  Called "Songs from the Wood", "Heavy horses" and the last
one whose title escapes me but talks of north sea oil.  I can only
think that Ian Anderson meant to do this, which was a trilogy of
songs about nature, man/nature, and man/technology.  The first two
even my mother loves--Ian writes beautifully, and I have used the
song "Velvet Green" to shut up more than one music snob who said
that no popular music could be 'good'.
cloud
response 58 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 17:10 UTC 1998

I keep meaning to get something by "Yes,"  I'll keep an eye out.  Would you
recomend any one album over another?  Any I should steer clear of?
steve
response 59 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 18:35 UTC 1998

   I think their later works (Talk, 90125, Big Generator coming to mind)
aren't as good as the odler ones.  If there was one specific CD to get...
Hmm...  I'd say either Going for the One or Fragile.  (thats hard to
think of, just one of them to get)
keesan
response 60 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 19:25 UTC 1998

Thanks STeve, I figured if people who did not think they liked classical music
could try to be broad-minded about it, I should be willing to reciprocate.
I will try the library and Borders again with more suggestions.
(The Finnish and Karelian folk music were not something I would want to hear
frequently, maybe okay for dancing to in very cold weather).
Thanks for letting me know whether to look for a performer or a group or a
particular piece instead of trying all three categories.
steve
response 61 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 21:09 UTC 1998

   Yes, it's frustrating, being told that you might like Albainin music
and then not get any more pointers.
   Another two rock groups which might bear some listening to are Emerson
Lake and Palmer (they did a version of Pictures at an Exibition), and the
far more obsure group Camel (I belive the title 'snowgoose' comes to mind).
keesan
response 62 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 28 00:17 UTC 1998

Are these all vocal?  I tend to listen to music while translating and get too
distracted if there are words.
        Other people looking for good non-classical music should also feel free
to ask for something specific in this item.  I meant it to be of general
relevance.
        I am wondering if the sorts of people who would have written good
classical music in previous centuries are steering away from a genre that is
not very attunedd to public taste any more, and composing in other genres.
Such as musicals and movies.
steve
response 63 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 28 00:36 UTC 1998

   The Ponty and Passport (jazz) are non-vocal but all the rock is vocal.
cloud
response 64 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 01:20 UTC 1998

All rock is _not_ vocal.  I'll admit that I have yet to come a across a band
which has _no_ vocal, but that certainly doesn't mean that it's all vocal.
Many of my favorite bands have cut instrumental tracks, some of them, such
as Porcupine Tree, have more instrumental tracks than vocal!  

<'Cloud smooths his bristles>

steve
response 65 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 02:45 UTC 1998

   Sorry to have helped raise 'em.  You are right of course, but there
isn't much rock that is even 10% non-vocal, I don't think.
orinoco
response 66 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 05:25 UTC 1998

Non-vocal rock:
the Steve Morse Band, one of my favorites, is definitely rock and definitely
non-vocal. 
Adrian Belew has also made at least one non-vocal album, _Desire Caught by
the Tail_ - or so I've heard, never having had a chance to listen to the whole
thing.
And, if you're willing to accept a wider definition of what counts as 'rock',
I'll add Ashley McIsaac (rock-inflected Celtic), the California Guitar Trio
(like the name says, three guitarists), and Poignant Plecostomus (local
jazz-rock band).

I'll admit I'm reaching here, but I'm sure there are more than these few...

Oh, and Medeski, Martin, and Wood - another jazz-rock band, but more rock than
jazz to my ears.
cloud
response 67 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 16:44 UTC 1998

I'd count Ashley McIsaac as rock--at least his first album seems to be.

keesan
response 68 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 16:53 UTC 1998

How many kinds of rock are there?  What do they have in common?  How do they
differ from other kinds of music (or are the edges of categories fuzzy)?
I have heard a bit of techno music, which was nonvocalic.  It was very well
done, complex rhythm but I don't recall any melody.
        Are some kinds of rock intended to be louder than others?  Is rock sort
of a catchall term for non-classical non-jazz now?  How is rock different from
pop?
steve
response 69 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 17:58 UTC 1998

   Like any other genre of music, I think its far to say there are lots
of different kinds.  Rock evolved from blues and jazz it seems to me, 
based on listening to stuff from the early 50's.  Name a form of music
and you can probably point to some rock that has that as an influence.
It would seem to me that what some call acid rock is supposed to be 
played loud, but given that I'm not a fan of noise, but of music, I'm
not the right one to talk.  I do know that there is a type of Rock
(MArilyn Manson comes to mind) which seems like pure noise to me and
not at all worthwhile.  But thats me.
   Your question of how pop and rock differ is an interesting one.  Maybe
pop is often times 'immature' rock?  I don't really know.
tpryan
response 70 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 01:21 UTC 1998

        Gary Hoey and Joe Satriani are two Rock Guitarists who put out
non-vocal works.
keesan
response 71 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 03:02 UTC 1998

Is there any rock music intended as background music in the sense that it does
not try to grab your attention with a strong beat?
I still have not figured out what 'rock' music includes.
steve
response 72 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 03:39 UTC 1998

   It might be easier to gather a list of 'well known' rock groups
and use that as a boundary.  Rock encompasses a lot of stuff.

   I'm not there there is any "muzak" rock.  It may be an oxymoron.
keesan
response 73 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 04:04 UTC 1998

I can listen to Mozart while working (Mozart is not muzak), I meant something
like that.  Lots of classical music was meant to be listened to while doing
something else (walking around the gardens or at a party).
        How would you categorize the stuff played on the Ypsi student station
(not counting their Indian and Turkish folk music)?
steve
response 74 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 04:38 UTC 1998

   Interesting? ;-)

   I'm not very good as classifying music, for probably a couple of
reasons.  The most important one is that I don't really care what
people call it as long as it holds my interest.  Most people don't
have that view I think, which is why my entire grade shcool thought
I was crazy for my bringing Kabuki music to school.  All I know is
that I like good things and shun noise.
cyklone
response 75 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 13:53 UTC 1998

Re #73: Anything can be Muzak, even Mozart. Muzak, IMNSHO, is a "dumbing
down" of a preexisting piece of music, whereby the soul and originality of
the work is removed, leaving only a homogenized sound, usually featuring
strings . . . .
scott
response 76 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 14:56 UTC 1998

Devo did a whole Muzak album of their various songs.  According to one
interview, it's the one album they all really like still.

("Muzak" is the name of a commercial service.  They record their own special
versions of recent hits to add to the collection.  Supposedly they have people
employed full time doing this, just to keep up)
tpryan
response 77 of 122: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 05:37 UTC 1998

        particulary when the likes of Henry Mancini have become 
decomposing composers.
krj
response 78 of 122: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 19:38 UTC 1999

resp:60 :: Sindi, which Finnish & Karelian folk music recording did you 
try out?
keesan
response 79 of 122: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 02:28 UTC 1999

I don't recall, but I doubt that the library had more than one.
I found YES at the library, not bad but too much beat for my taste, but I will
give it more of a listen.  I like my rhythm a bit more varied.  But this is
certainly above the run of the mill rock music.  Track 2 is Cans and Brahms,
with electric piano and synthesizer.  I prefer the original arrangment but
this is interesting and certainly classical-based.  The album is Fragile Yes.
Jim also liked the Brahms and wondered 'how did they both get on the same CD'?
(I guess he does not like the third track).
        Maybe I had better stick to classical and folk (original and
imitation).  The rock is just too repetitive.  (Not that a lot of folk is not
awfully repetitive).  Boom (next track).  Sounds like a howling wind, and too
much percussion for my taste.  Does all rock music have a lot f beat?
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