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happyboy
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response 55 of 241:
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Aug 13 06:41 UTC 2003 |
is that a fact?
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bru
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response 56 of 241:
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Aug 13 13:55 UTC 2003 |
re 54 BZZZT! Wrong answer!
You are forgetting that most teachers are liberals and as such believe in free
thought and fredom of action. No, that isn't right either.
I think most teachers would intervene if they knew there was a problem. They
do not have time to see the problem, nor to deal with every problem. Kids
have to grow up learning to deal with these problems on their own, even
interveneing themselves if they see a problem no one is handling. The
teachers can't do it all, and niether can the parents.
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edina
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response 57 of 241:
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Aug 13 16:40 UTC 2003 |
While I agree that school is a place to learn how to handle your own problems,
I also see it as a place where they should learn period. If that is being
jeapordized because of whatever, an intervention must be made.
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tod
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response 58 of 241:
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Aug 13 17:15 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 59 of 241:
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Aug 13 18:58 UTC 2003 |
Re #56: Maybe where you lived teachers were mostly liberals, but most of
mine were conservative. Some of them even ranted at length about what
those dirty liberals were doing to the country.
Re #58: Well, I can only speak from my own experience. Teachers didn't
care how much I got teased, but when I got frustrated and lashed out in
retaliation I invariably got in trouble. Eventually I figured out that
trying to stick up for myself just made things worse, and just took it.
It's a lesson I learned too well; to this day I have a lot of trouble
sticking up for myself in situations where I've been wronged.
Incidentally, anyone who says "if you ignore it, it'll stop" is full of
shit. People who say that were clearly never teased as children.
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tod
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Aug 13 19:03 UTC 2003 |
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novomit
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response 61 of 241:
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Aug 13 19:07 UTC 2003 |
Re 58: I agree. It won't pass. Same thing happened to me.
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happyboy
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response 62 of 241:
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Aug 13 19:08 UTC 2003 |
re59: tough shit, fatso.
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gull
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response 63 of 241:
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Aug 13 21:46 UTC 2003 |
Re #60: Yeah, pretty much. It helped that a lot of the kids who were
doing it either had rich, well-respected parents or were on the football
team, the two things that will guarantee you kid gloves treatment in any
small town school. There wasn't a lot my parents could do about it, really.
And no, I don't really think an "all gay" school is a great idea either.
But I heard people saying that it's the teachers' jobs to make sure
kids like that are treated with tolerance, and while that might
technically be their job it just doesn't happen in the real world.
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tod
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response 64 of 241:
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Aug 13 22:01 UTC 2003 |
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bru
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response 65 of 241:
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Aug 14 00:51 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, I should have gone into Football instead of wrestling and baseball.
Coach was real upset cause he was a good freind of my fathers adn was
expecting me to be in that front line. tough. And yes the Football team got
the glory. WE were the number one class C team in the nation at one time,
with the longest winning streak in history.
And I had to put up with my share of bullies. I got in two fights that I can
recall and lost both. But I never let the bullies win. You learn to stand
your ground, take your licks, adn move on. If you don't, you won't survive.
Sure it hurts, and you will suffer with decisions you make all thru life.
I still hurt to think about a decision I made in grade school that hurt a
girls feelings. It was stupid, it wasn't worth anything in the long run, but
it still bothers me from time to time. (she gave me a present for christmas,
adn I traded it with another student for something I liked better. She found
out and was extremely hurt by it. She had put a lot of thought into buying
that 3 dollar model for me.)
SO get over it doesn't make it. You still have to learn to live with it.
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janc
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response 66 of 241:
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Aug 14 05:32 UTC 2003 |
Actually, I think how much you get teased does depend on your behavior. I
went all the way through public school with a feminine first name, and almost
never got teased. Occasionally someone would try, it would fall flat and that
would be the end of it. I knew a kid with a substantially less weird name who
got teased nonstop about it. (Hmmm, I guess he survived - he seems to be
an associate professor in biochemistry at McGill.) However, I don't think
this is useful information for a person being teased. I'm not sure it's a
learnable skill. I just always believed that anyone trying to tease me
about my name was making an obvious idiot of themselves, and I believed it
with absolute conviction, so it was true.
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polytarp
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response 67 of 241:
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Aug 14 10:17 UTC 2003 |
AHAHA< I JUST NOTICED: WHILE GLOSSING OVER THESE POSTS< LETTING SOME WORDS
GET IN MY MIND AND JUMBLED UP: JAN HAS A GIRL"S NAME! AHAHAHa, HEY< JAN<
WHAT
"S WITH YOUR GIRLS" Name>
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gull
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response 68 of 241:
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Aug 14 14:32 UTC 2003 |
Re #65: Standing my ground got me suspended on one occasion, and
detention on others, and quickly got me labelled as a troublemaker. I
learned my lessons after that: 1. People in authority don't care about
fairness, and 2. Sticking up for myself just makes things worse.
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tod
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response 69 of 241:
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Aug 14 16:45 UTC 2003 |
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jep
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response 70 of 241:
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Aug 17 03:14 UTC 2003 |
I was also teased a lot as a kid. I was beat up as a kid on a regular
basis. For two years in elementary school, I did all that I could to
refuse to go outside during recess, prefering to stay inside and read,
because I didn't get hit when I was inside reading. I was *forced* to
go outside, and then I got beat up. No one did anything to help me.
Not the teachers, the playground supervisors, the principal, my
parents, no one. I was supposed to figure it out for myself. (And I
did. I got older. It hasn't happened again since I graduated from
high school.)
However, that was a long time ago. It doesn't work that way any
more. My 1st grader, in Clinton, kissed another 1st grader last year,
with her approval and consent, and was talked to by the principal.
They don't allow physical contact between kids at all on the
playground. They don't allow teasing, either.
Things are a lot better on school playgrounds, in my opinion.
But it has nothing to do with high schools at all. I can't imagine
high schools can effectively monitor social interactions between
students. Maybe I'm wrong... if they can't, as I suspect, I can see
why New York might experiment with a high school for gay students.
As someone who had some bad school experiences, I can say just about
any alternative would have been better for me. I would do just about
anything to prevent my son from having to live through what I did.
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keesan
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response 71 of 241:
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Aug 18 05:08 UTC 2003 |
How can you play games without physical contact? What do kids do during
recess?
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jep
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response 72 of 241:
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Aug 18 13:13 UTC 2003 |
They play on swings and slides, they play kickball and the like,
baseball, marbles, I don't know what all. They just don't play
football or wrestle, as I understand it.
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slynne
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response 73 of 241:
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Aug 18 15:41 UTC 2003 |
The problem is in high school that the bullying is often not physical
but, rather, verbal. And there isnt anything the teachers can do about
that since they probably dont even get to see it for the most part.
I can remember being teased as a child. I mostly ignored it. And it
went away. It helped that I wasnt alone though. I had two other friends
who also were teased by the more popular girls (only more popular
because while our little group had 3, their little group had 5). So I
think the answer to being teased is to find some other kids who are
being teased and then hang out with them. Of course that is pretty much
what those boys at Columbine did so maybe that technique doesnt work to
well for everyone.
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tod
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response 74 of 241:
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Aug 18 19:59 UTC 2003 |
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slynne
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response 75 of 241:
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Aug 18 20:37 UTC 2003 |
Actually hiding in a special school can help them cope with bad
treatment by helping them form a support network. Isnt that *really*
the best way to deal with such things?
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mynxcat
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response 76 of 241:
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Aug 18 20:42 UTC 2003 |
I don't think a support network would result. You build a support
network when you and other people facing the same adversity get
together to help fight issues, in this case bullies. If you're in a
special school, there's less reason, if any at all, to actually form a
support network.
And relying on a support network to get you through life is
unrealistic. Networking is important, I agree, but not the sole
solution to life's problems
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tod
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response 77 of 241:
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Aug 18 20:48 UTC 2003 |
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mary
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response 78 of 241:
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Aug 18 21:29 UTC 2003 |
All girl and all boy schools seem to get supported.
I wonder why, and I wonder how many of those same
reasons wouldn't apply to homosexual children.
Maybe the issue, the real issue folks have, is
they don't want to endorse any offical support
for homosexuality.
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tod
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response 79 of 241:
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Aug 18 21:31 UTC 2003 |
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