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Grex > Agora56 > #96: Cheney shoots fellow hunter in South Texas. | |
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naftee
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response 53 of 218:
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Feb 15 04:30 UTC 2006 |
I've been hit by a pickup truck before.
Was it my fault for not reacting fast enough, or his fault for deciding to
risk a turn and drive into me ?
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richard
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response 54 of 218:
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Feb 15 16:56 UTC 2006 |
cheney did not have a license to hunt quail.
some example he is setting.
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nharmon
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response 55 of 218:
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Feb 15 16:59 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, maybe professional athletes weren't such bad role models after
all, huh? :)
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tod
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response 56 of 218:
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Feb 15 17:37 UTC 2006 |
I think we can all move beyond this simply by mandating that anything Cheney
kills has to be eaten by him. If he can't finish what's on his plate then
he can share it buffet style with the Administration. Setup some big BBQ pits
right there on the White House lawn and get a convoy from Walter-Reed's morgue
going. Snap to it.
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nharmon
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response 57 of 218:
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Feb 15 17:42 UTC 2006 |
Gross.
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tod
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response 58 of 218:
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Feb 15 17:56 UTC 2006 |
Yea, disgusting...isn't IT.
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johnnie
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response 59 of 218:
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Feb 15 17:58 UTC 2006 |
And this: Apparently, the owner of the ranch where Cheney went on his
rampage hinted in an interview that the Veep may have had "a beer or
two" prior to the shooting, which may not be such a great thing for a
guy with a couple of drunk driving arrests on his record.
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happyboy
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response 60 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:00 UTC 2006 |
but beer is good for lubing up his pacemaker, d00d.
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jep
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response 61 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:11 UTC 2006 |
re resp:59: "Apparently" someone said Cheney was drinking? It's not
apparent to me. If there's information, cite it right out in the
open. I'm not going to assume there's anything to a story you cite
like that.
I assume that is all a rumor which was started right here in this item
as idle speculation because it would be so titillating if there was
anything to it. It is nothing short of contemptible to be spreading
that kind of garbage. How much lower can you possibly go for a
standard of reporting and judgement, than to make up a rumor yourself
out of nothing at all, and then repeatedly cite it as a fact?
I'm not a fan of the vice president or the Administration, but I have
nothing but disdain and despite for the "drunk hunting" innuendos which
were started in this item. No one with the slightest self-respect
would act in that manner.
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tod
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response 62 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:24 UTC 2006 |
re #61
If there's information, cite it right out in the
open.
They were wearing orange hunting jackets. BRIGHT ORANGE jackets.
That's a fact.
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jep
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response 63 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:28 UTC 2006 |
Highly enlightening, Todd, as usual.
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tod
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response 64 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:30 UTC 2006 |
I'll give you enlightening in the next few new items I post, professor.
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richard
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response 65 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:40 UTC 2006 |
it doesnt matter if they were wearing hunting jackets, cheney WAS NOT LICENSED
to hunt quail. He had no legal right to hunt that particular animal. He was
licensed to hunt deer.
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tod
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response 66 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:40 UTC 2006 |
One question raised by Whittington's condition is just how far from
Whittington was the vice president when he pulled the trigger on his 28-gauge
Perazzi Brescia Italian shotgun. The original report on the incident from the
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department says Cheney was 30 yards away from
Whittington. But the news that one shotgun pellet is now apparently lodged
in the muscle of Whittington's heart will likely lead to a reexamination of
the force with which Whittington was hit, and therefore, of the distance
between the two men when the shooting occurred.
*tipping my drink to drinky guy Cheney*
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richard
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response 67 of 218:
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Feb 15 18:48 UTC 2006 |
Whitting should sue Cheney and get some of his haliburton money
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cyklone
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response 68 of 218:
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Feb 15 19:01 UTC 2006 |
Jep, for what it's worth the drinking angle was not started on Grex. I've come
across it a couple of other times. Apparently, others are capable of deducing
the possibility from the facts known so far.
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marcvh
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response 69 of 218:
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Feb 15 19:38 UTC 2006 |
Supposedly MSNBC reported it earlier but then retracted the report.
It's entirely possible that it was simply a misquote or something.
But, since Cheney didn't allow law enforcement officers to talk to
him until the following day, there's really no way anybody could
conclusively eliminate alcohol as a possible factor. It's just another
facet of the fact that, even many Republicans agree, Cheney handled
this incident very stupidly.
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johnnie
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response 70 of 218:
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Feb 15 20:40 UTC 2006 |
Don't say "supposedly"--jep won't like that any better than
"apparently". MSNBC did in fact post said report. Here's the lowdown:
http://blogs.philly.com/blinq/2006/02/was_there_beer_.html
Also, interestingly enough, despite their willingness to divulge many
details regarding the condition and treatment of Cheney's latest victim,
there are two things that the hospital officials have (repeatedly)
refused to comment on (note: not, "we don't know", but rather "we can't
comment on that"): the number and composition of the pellets in
Whittington's body, and whether or not he had alchohol in his system
when he was brought in.
And, jep, the shooting itself isn't necessarily a big deal (accidents
happen), but the VP's continuing efforts to withold information make it
look like there's more to the story, and that's making it all a bigger
story. Further, in the absence of real information, rumor and innuendo
will fill the gap (PR101). If Cheney had talked to the police
immediately, followed that up with a news release to the media, and
followed that with a short/informal press conference ("this is what
happened, it was a stupid accident, my apologies and prayers to my
friend", etc), this whole story would already be fading away.
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richard
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response 71 of 218:
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Feb 15 20:43 UTC 2006 |
they should have given Cheney a breathalyzer
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jep
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response 72 of 218:
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Feb 15 20:47 UTC 2006 |
According to the sheriff's report which I referred to in an article
yesterday, police visited Cheney the evening of the incident. But
numerous reports *have* stated police didn't talk to Cheney until the
next day, so at least that part of the story wasn't made up here.
re resp:68: I'm sticking with what I said. Now you say you saw
something about Cheney's drinking being somehow related, somewhere
else. Where? Maybe someone on M-Net? (After they saw it here,
perhaps?)
There seems to be no evaluation of the facts going on at all here.
People here hate the Administration and/or Republicans in general, the
vice president shot someone in a hunting accident, there's very free
mixing in of "wouldn't it be cool if *THIS* had happened too?" and the
story grows and grows, feeding on itself and wishes that it was bigger.
re resp:70: An absence of information is no excuse for making up rumors.
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tod
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response 73 of 218:
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Feb 15 20:48 UTC 2006 |
re #70
They don't have to comment on the number of pellets or size. We know its in
the range of 200 and it was 28 gauge birdshot.
"Whittington, a Republican stalwart and lawyer in Texas, was struck by up to
200 pellets when Cheney, hunting on a south Texas ranch, reportedly whirled
around to fire at a covey of quail and hit Whittington instead."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney.reut
What's this say to me?
Well, it tells me that somebody is lying when they write in the report
that Cheney was 30 yards away from Whittington.
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tod
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response 74 of 218:
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Feb 15 20:54 UTC 2006 |
re #72
"wouldn't it be cool if *THIS* had happened too?"
Where there's a vacuum: It will be filled
Cheney hasn't had a press conference in 3 1/2 years. You expect people to
just ignore that he's VP or to not make speculations when he isn't forthcoming
about his dealings both professional and personal? The guy was hunting
without a license and shot somebody. You think people should just mind their
own business and forget that he shot somebody? Are you serious?
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jep
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response 75 of 218:
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Feb 15 21:53 UTC 2006 |
I don't expect people to make up stuff and then treat it like it's
facts. Is that how you usually deal with a lack of information? It
isn't what I do.
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tod
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response 76 of 218:
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Feb 15 22:30 UTC 2006 |
People gossip and speculate when there are gaps in stories. Me? Yea, I tend
to think the old geezer was boozing it up when he went hunting cuz that's what
people in Texas do for recreation: Drink and kill
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gull
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response 77 of 218:
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Feb 16 00:30 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:52: I predict that whether the guy lives or dies, Cheney will
not see any consequences.
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