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krj
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response 52 of 106:
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Oct 28 05:42 UTC 2001 |
Back in resp:music2,154,217 (music2, item 154, resp 217) I wrote
about the Virgin Megastore on Michigan Avenue. The store was still
pretty appealing when Leslie and I returned there this spring; but
we were there again on Friday, and the store has crashed.
The biggest disappointment was the dismantling of the classical section.
Classical was forced out of its separate room, the one with classical
albums playing in the background; it was shoved in a back corner and
cut by maybe 40%. The old classical music room is now the DVD room.
World music seemed gutted as well; I couldn't find any discs that I wanted.
There were a couple of British Isles/Celtic items worth looking at,
and they were priced at an appealing $14. I settled for the new Kathryn
Tickell CD and passed on the Bachue. And there was a Tracey Dares CD
I had not seen before. But that was it; two CDs bought, and just one
tempation passed up, from a store where previously I had found
armloads of stuff.
The standard price of $18.99 was really putting me off buying anything
which might have been stocked at any other store.
We're unlikely to go out of our way to stop there on our future
Chicago trips.
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mcnally
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response 53 of 106:
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Oct 28 08:32 UTC 2001 |
It's hard to see how a record store could be both price competitive
AND located on Michigan Avenue, but $18.99 for most discs just makes
me want to cry..
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krj
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response 54 of 106:
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Oct 29 18:24 UTC 2001 |
Second-hand followups to some of my recent reports:
resp:52 :: There is a Usenet report on rec.music.classical.recordings
that the Virgin Megastore in Times Square has drastically pruned
its CD section to make way for videos, much as Chicago did. So perhaps
this was a corporate decision for the whole chain.
resp:48 :: A co-worker told me that the Where House Records shop
in Frandor Mall in Lansing has closed; this is just five weeks
after I learned that it existed. I never got to visit it.
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tpryan
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response 55 of 106:
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Oct 29 20:49 UTC 2001 |
A shame if they don't think they can make good business
in October, November and December.
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krj
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response 56 of 106:
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Nov 2 00:39 UTC 2001 |
The venerable Canadian firm Sam the Record Man has filed for
bankruptcy. There are two good stories at http://www.globeandmail.com
but unfortunately Globe and Mail URLs are about three lines long,
so you'll have to search on "sam's" to find the news story
from October 31 and a memorial from November 1.
Sam's had outlets all across Canada, but the important store
was the one on Yonge Street in Toronto.
Back when I was a college student, my friends and I experienced
something we called "the East Lansing/Toronto Spacewarp."
We went to Toronto, lots of times. And in those days, the
four-story Sam's, with the landmark animated neon LP
design on the front, was probably the best
record store in Canada, and one of the best in the world.
Long before "world music" became a viable genre, Sam's had a
killer section of international music; I got some fun Eastern
European albums from there. And lots of Canadian and British Isles
folk, and jazz, and classical... sometimes it seemed like if it
was released anywhere in the world, then there was a good chance
that Sam's had it. I don't think I ever saw a selection of
imported records that was better than Sam's.
I didn't get to Toronto much in the CD era. Senna would tell me
that the store was declining due to commercial pressure from
the HMV down the street. When I made my last trip to Sam's
about three or four years ago, it was clear that the store wasn't
what it had been 15 years ago, but I still came away with a good
armload of Canadian, British and European folk and roots music,
including one treasure I never expected to find -- a long out-of-print
disc on Billy Bragg's old Utility label by Jungr & Parker.
(And the Sam's clerk marked it down by 40% -- "This has been here
far too long," she said, when I hesitated at the somewhat high price.)
I hit HMV on that same Toronto trip; the HMV store was newer and shinier,
and it wasn't bad, but it still didn't have the breadth of stock
that Sam's had, even in Sam's long decline.
Thanks to Sam Sniderman, age 81, who ran such an important store
for its entire 63-year life.
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mcnally
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response 57 of 106:
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Nov 2 01:03 UTC 2001 |
Hmmm.. I'd never even heard of Sam's but you've got me regretting
the fact that I never checked it out on one of my Toronto visits..
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krj
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response 58 of 106:
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Nov 28 18:45 UTC 2001 |
Followup to resp:52 on Chicago stores :: On Tuesday's trip to Chicago
I visited Tower Records in the Loop, and Crow's Nest Music in the
Music Mart Mall, about two blocks away, about 200 S. Wabash and
300 S. State respectively. I'm pleased to report that the classic
big city CD store is still clinging to life...
Tower on Wabash is the old Rose Records store; Rose was the thriving
local chain 15 years ago, and I had visited the Rose store back around
1985. Tower didn't change much; it's an old-fashioned rabbit warren of a
store on three floors. The pop/rock section of the first floor did seem
a little thin, but the classical section on the second floor was
dazzling -- in fact it was too overwhelming for the limited shopping time
I had available -- and the world music selection on the third floor
was quite choice. (I'll mention the purchases in some other item, to
keep followups about the music itself out of this item.)
Tower Classical had the biggest selection of opera DVDs I'd ever
seen in one store.
Crow's Nest is a big new spacious store. They may have even a bigger
pop/rock selection than the Tower, but the classical and world music
sections are somewhat smaller, though still decent. The nice thing
about Crow's Nest is the price: almost all of the discs are $14.99
or $15.99, which is cheap these days.
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krj
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response 59 of 106:
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Jan 23 23:16 UTC 2002 |
followup on resp:56 :: On a classical music directory site,
I've found a link to a Toronto Globe & Mail story, headlined:
"Music is sweet again at Sam's." Unfortunately this was published
on January 12 and is no longer available through the Globe & Mail
web site. The headline suggests that somehow the flagship Sam's
store in Toronto has managed to ride out the corporate bankruptcy.
???
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mcnally
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response 60 of 106:
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Feb 2 01:16 UTC 2002 |
I've tried several times to enter a longer review of my visit to
San Francisco's Amoeba, a huge used record store with an impressive
selection. Unfortunately I've been having connection problems and
have lost two previous drafts, so I'll restrict myself to just the
basics..
Visited Amoeba for the first time this past week and found the
San Francisco location to be the best used record store I've visited,
ever, with a broad stock of popular music, decent prices, and a
surprising stock of international music (when was the last time you
visited a used-record store that had a Fado section?) I'm told that
the Berkeley location may be even better, I'll check it out on my next
trip to the Bay Area.
For the moment, though, I'm just savoring the long-lost feeling of
walking out of a record store with an armful of interesting discs
(13 titles, some of them doubles..) for under $100.
For those who visit San Francisco and want to check out Amoeba, it's
about a block or so from where Haight Street ends at Golden Gate Park.
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scott
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response 61 of 106:
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Feb 2 04:27 UTC 2002 |
There's also a store called "Rasputin" near the Ameoba in Berkely, and it's
another very good store.
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mcnally
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response 62 of 106:
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Feb 2 04:56 UTC 2002 |
I'll be sure to check it out next time I'm down there.
I've found Seattle's music retail scene, both new and used, to be quite
disappointing. On the other hand, living near a store like Amoeba could
be quite hazardous to my wallet..
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krj
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response 63 of 106:
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Feb 2 16:43 UTC 2002 |
What happened to Cellophane Square, a record shop in Seattle? Are they
even still in business? Guess I haven't been out there since 1989 or so.
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mcnally
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response 64 of 106:
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Feb 2 20:26 UTC 2002 |
There's still a Cellophane Square in the U District and another in
Bellevue. I haven't found them terribly impressive.
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krj
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response 65 of 106:
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Feb 11 07:10 UTC 2002 |
following on from resp:56 :: we made a day trip to Toronto on Saturday,
so I had a chance to check out the big Yonge Street store of
Sam the Record Man, the chain which filed for bankruptcy in December.
It was an odd sort of stock reduction sale. CDs which were in the
long plastic theft-reduction cases were 20% off; CDs which were
not in such cases were 60% off. And then we paid in mighty
American dollars, so the 60%-off discs which were stickered at
$20 Canadian came out to about $5 each in US money.
But the store has been pretty well picked over.
I did get a fistfull of Canadian Celtic CDs, mostly from the maritimes,
and at the higher price I got the one in-print disc by the French
band Lo'Jo which I didn't have -- that's the sort of rare and exotic
thing which Sam's used to stock in abundance.
I ran into two old Toronto friends in the store, and they were of the
opinion that the Sam's bankruptcy is a scam to screw the CD distributors.
Their news, confirmed by a clerk who worked there, is that the Sam's
operation is being bought out of bankruptcy by the children of the
original Sam Sniderman. So it will be interesting to see what
develops.
The HMV store two doors down from Sam's was its usual big and bland self;
they had a lot of British Isles & Celtic stuff, but not much new.
All I got from my shopping list were the two most recent discs
from the Quebecois band La Bottine Souriante.
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krj
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response 66 of 106:
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Feb 24 03:50 UTC 2002 |
Jim Leonard writes about his bankruptcy at length in the March issue
of the Ann Arbor Observer. Leonard was a fixture in the classical
music business in Ann Arbor for almost a quarter century; he managed
SKR Classical since it opened in 1986, then became the owner in
the late 1990s as Steve Bergman's Schoolkids Records faltered.
All of his stores failed in January 2001; newcomers can find
our discussion of the collapse in conf:music2 (forgive me for
not looking up which item number).
He doesn't write much about the music retail business;
"I'd been a fool," he writes, to take over the Schoolkids storefronts
as the Internet was shaking up music sales, both through online retail
and through Napster.
Leonard owed $1.25 million when SKR closed; I can't see from the article
if that total includes $200,000 in unpaid tax debt which is also mentioned.
The tax debt is not wiped out by the bankruptcy, and Leonard says
he could be paying on it for decades.
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dbratman
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response 67 of 106:
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Mar 11 22:24 UTC 2002 |
I live in the San Francisco area, but I'd never heard of Amoeba.
Rasputin's, also mentioned, is my choice for used rock CDs. They also
have the honor to employ one of the world's leading Tolkien linguists
('cause a Ph.D. in German won't get you a cup of coffee).
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mcnally
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response 68 of 106:
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Mar 12 17:32 UTC 2002 |
The San Francisco Amoeba is on Haight near Golden Gate Park.
I'm not sure where the Berkeley location is located..
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krj
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response 69 of 106:
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Jul 18 15:50 UTC 2002 |
Heard on WWJ-AM news radio this morning: the venerable Michigan retail
chain Harmony House is giving up and shutting down. Some stores will
be closed next week, others in the fall.
The chain had been trying to find a buyer for several years, if
I remember the old news stories correctly.
I don't have time to write much of an obit for them right now.
Most of their stores will not be much of a loss for serious music
fans, but their classical specialist shop in Royal Oak was world-class.
With its demise, there will be no classical retail shop better than
the Ann Arbor Borders anywhere in the state.
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goose
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response 70 of 106:
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Aug 9 20:24 UTC 2002 |
I'm surprised no one mentioned that Discount Records (part of HH?) closed up
shop. That was the store that once employed a young James Osterberg I do
believe.
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krj
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Aug 9 23:37 UTC 2002 |
No, Discount Records was part of the Sam Goody/Musicland operations --
I forget which name was at the top of the corporate hierarchy, we had
a big argument about this with Ashke a year or so ago. Anyway,
Discount Records was certainly not a part of Harmony House, since the
short-lived Ann Arbor Harmony House outlet was just a few storefronts
away on State Street.
I dimly recall an earlier published rumor that Discount would close
this summer when their lease was up. The store had been sinking for
years; my sister-in-law tended to get me Sam Goody gift certificates
which I could spend there, and it usually took some effort to find
anything I wanted to buy.
I think this means that Borders and Schoolkids-in-the-basement
are the last sources of new CDs downtown, with Best Buy and
Media Play out on the periphery of town.
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tpryan
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response 72 of 106:
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Aug 10 13:37 UTC 2002 |
Cirucuit City and Borders at Arborland.
Both Meijers, Both Targets, Wal-mart and K-mart also sell CDs.
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krj
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response 73 of 106:
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Aug 11 03:31 UTC 2002 |
I think this may mean that Schoolkids-in-the-basement is the only
"pure" new CD store left in town, the only one selling (almost
exclusively) new music recordings. Every other retailer listed
above relies on books, electronics, or general merchandise.
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anderyn
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response 74 of 106:
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Aug 11 15:47 UTC 2002 |
This is disturbing. I may have to get Bruce used to trekking to Lansing.
At least Elderly's isn't in trouble, is it?!
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krj
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response 75 of 106:
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Aug 12 00:16 UTC 2002 |
Elderly Instruments is showing no signs of distress. However,
at Elderly, the CD department is just a small-to-medium sized part
of the business; instrument sales remain their core, as far as I
can tell from their new general catalog.
Elderly is also a large-scale mail order operation, and they seem
to have adapted well to the Internet.
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tpryan
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response 76 of 106:
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Aug 12 14:51 UTC 2002 |
I recall being impressed that Elderly has a different
selection of folk music, as compared to Borders or the old
Schoolkids selection. Not neccessarily better or worse, just
different enough to make the trip and shopping worthwhile.
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