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Grex > Coop12 > #49: Nominations for the Board of Directors | |
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davel
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response 52 of 332:
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Oct 27 22:17 UTC 2001 |
Yes, but did it *work*?
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krj
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response 53 of 332:
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Oct 27 23:48 UTC 2001 |
I would like to see Eric/other stay on the board, because he has
more real-life experience in the world of non-profit organizations
than all but a few Grexers.
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other
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response 54 of 332:
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Oct 28 18:39 UTC 2001 |
You might say I've made a career of it. No wonder I'm perpetually only a
few forethoughts from poverty.
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davel
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response 55 of 332:
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Oct 28 19:58 UTC 2001 |
So I repeat: Eric, are you accepting the nomination?
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other
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response 56 of 332:
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Oct 29 04:36 UTC 2001 |
I am still contemplating two things.
1. Whether or not I will accept, which is dependent on other factors.
2. What the other factors are...
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keesan
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response 57 of 332:
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Oct 29 14:58 UTC 2001 |
I hope you accept. I think you did a great job so far.
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richard
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response 58 of 332:
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Oct 29 17:11 UTC 2001 |
right now mary, jp2, bhell, and orinoco have accepted their nominations.
thats four candidates for four seats. nobody else runs and they can
effectively elect themselves just by voting.
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jp2
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response 59 of 332:
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Oct 29 17:20 UTC 2001 |
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md
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response 60 of 332:
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Oct 30 01:28 UTC 2001 |
I would, Jamie, if I were you.
Be concerned. Be terriby concerned. ;-)
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mary
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response 61 of 332:
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Oct 31 00:23 UTC 2001 |
We could really use some additional candidates here.
Come on folks, it's your civic duty to help out. Don't
let the current flood of hostile politics scare you
away from volunteering. This happens from time to time.
Think of it as the tide.
How's the knees, Eric.
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russ
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response 62 of 332:
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Oct 31 00:31 UTC 2001 |
I think it would be hilarious if Jamie won a seat with zero votes.
Then he could be removed from the board for lack of participation
due to non-attedance. It would make wonderful theater.
For the first time in several years, I'm in a position to attend
board meetings. I have been nominated before, by whom I don't
know; I wasn't in a position to serve, and at the time I wasn't
even reading co-op. I was considering a run, but I'll be darned
if I'm going to ruin this drama that's developing.
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eeyore
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response 63 of 332:
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Oct 31 02:05 UTC 2001 |
I'm deffinately declining the "honor" of running again. The last thing I need
to deal with is 2 more years of meetings with the same dead horse carcass
brought along to every bloody meeting to be beaten once again.
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flem
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response 64 of 332:
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Oct 31 02:08 UTC 2001 |
You do realize that drama and excitement and scandal in local bbs government
are already easily available, yes?
Okay, maybe not excitement...
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eeyore
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response 65 of 332:
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Oct 31 02:25 UTC 2001 |
I am just sick of all of this bullshit. I am sick of having people outshout
each other with the same arguments at several meetings in a row. It's been
fine lately, but I can already see where it's going from here. Nope, not
again.
Part of it is that I know that my thoughts on most of this stuff are not
necessarily going to be all that popular. Fine by me. But it makes it pretty
easy to be talked around, especially since I refuse to play the shouting game.
Plus, I'm honest enough to say that I don't have the patience to listen to
the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Especially after reading even more of the crap in BBS.
I think most importantly, I honestly felt that I didn't accomplish crap on
the Bored while there...if it was technical, I didn't understand it worth
crap, and if it was something that had been discussed online, then I was
already sick of it. I'm willing to admit that my attention span sucks, and
I think that Grex could put somebody more useful in my space.
And I'm sorry for the rambling and grumpiness here, but I'm just really really
really sick of all the arguing here. And I'm blaming everybody involved, be
it here or in email. And I'm purposfully trying to keep my mouth shut because
if I start in on it, I will end up screaming.
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jp2
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response 66 of 332:
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Oct 31 02:55 UTC 2001 |
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eeyore
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response 67 of 332:
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Oct 31 03:01 UTC 2001 |
It's not like people are standing there screaming at each other....they're
just attempting to drown out the other person.
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krj
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response 68 of 332:
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Oct 31 04:20 UTC 2001 |
Meg, I'm sorry that your time on the board wasn't a better experience
for you. Thanks very much for your two years of work.
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eeyore
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response 69 of 332:
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Oct 31 04:32 UTC 2001 |
I'm honest enough to admit that it's mostly my lack of patience that's the
problem. :)
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jp2
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response 70 of 332:
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Oct 31 05:06 UTC 2001 |
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mdw
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response 71 of 332:
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Oct 31 09:00 UTC 2001 |
Well, I expect to be considerably more controversial than I had thought.
I'm probably crazy to do so, but I guess I'll accept my nomination.
I'm sorry eeyore came away with such a negative impression of board
meetings. I appreciate the time she was able to spend with us, and will
miss the calm but amazing insights she was sometimes able to make at
board meetings. I always found her worth listening to when she had
anything to say.
I'm sorry to hear Scott decline his nomination, he's always been one of
the good guys. This may not be the right place to say it, but I've
always appreciated all the work he's done on modems and especially
backups. This is tedious and unglamorous work, until the moment things
stop working. I hope he does not feel in any way unappreciated or less
loved.
I can understand Jan declining his nomination, although it is
disappointing. Must be the "kid" problem.
I think Sylvia (bhelliom) would make a fine board member. She's been
showing up very consistently at board meetings already, and that's
really the hardest part of the job. Mary was one of the original
founders, and while I don't always agree with her, she's always worth
listening to as well. Dunno about KRJ's reputation on m-net, but online
here and in person he's always struck me as a very reasonable person
except perhaps occasionally being a bit pessimistic. There is a place
for both pessimism and optimism in any realistic plan, and I'm sure KRJ
would work out just fine. This might even be a decent excuse to get him
interested in doing some staff work as well (grex networking?), which
would be valuable all on its own.
Other has been a very capable and enterprising board member; if he's
decided to decline I hope he'll reconsider. I've never met cmcgee, but
she's always sounded rational here online, I'm sure she'd be a fine
addition to the board.
The coming year or so may be a crucial time for grex's existance; it's
clear we're making the transition from a "new" system where everyone
remembers to beginning, to being the "old" and fogey system, where the
beginnings are lost in the mist of time and people assume grex will
always be here, no matter what. At the same time, political events far
away could quickly overshadow *anything* that happens here. We can
already assume the FBI is reading every scrap of e-mail that comes in &
out of grex - that's something that would have been almost unimaginable
when grex was founded. I doubt our masters in Washington have any
special reason to dislike grex, but they could easily pass something
that makes our position either more difficult or untenable. We may be
forced to some difficult decisions.
It is going to be important to elect a board that is capable of working
well together, and facing any of those difficult choices that have to be
made. I suspect this has already affected some people's decision
whether or not to run; I know I had to think long and hard about it
personally. I think we can already see some signs of this stress
elsewhere on grex. I trust people will think carefully about these
choices, and make those that will best benefit grex.
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cross
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response 72 of 332:
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Oct 31 20:41 UTC 2001 |
Just a quick note, but I'd be surprised if the FBI was reading email
going to and from grex; really, it's probably not worth their time,
as they have far larger fish to fry. Besides, they could only do so
with a court order anyway.
I doubt that our, er, `masters' in Washington (btw- on a personal note,
I really dislike that kind of terminology, but to each his own) are
going to pass much that affects grex directly.
(sent from 138th St. and Convent Ave., Spanish Harlem, New York City)
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jp2
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response 73 of 332:
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Oct 31 21:23 UTC 2001 |
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styles
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response 74 of 332:
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Oct 31 21:38 UTC 2001 |
#72: SpaHa is what folks call it.
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slynne
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response 75 of 332:
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Oct 31 22:25 UTC 2001 |
re #73 bored staff at the local insurance agency dont count.
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mdw
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response 76 of 332:
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Nov 1 06:04 UTC 2001 |
I use the term "our masters" because it best expresses my feelings for a
congress that passed CDA, and a VP that would unilaterally announce that
he expects the present emergency to last "indefinitely".
I don't believe Dan has been keeping up with recent events. The FBI
would most likely be using Carnivore to monitor e-mail going to/from
grex, not reading it by hand. I hope we never find out whether the FBI
is in fact doing so, but there is considerable public evidence
concerning the capabilities of Carnivore, and the FBI has made no secret
of its desire to be able to use it. In the weeks after the attack, the
FBI's legal authority and funding for Carnivore were both significantly
increased. I believe this much can be easily researched on the web
today.
These facts are less well-known: a well-known FBI informant was involved
with m-net *very* early on (1983). The secret service once investigated
grex after a death threat was sent to whitehouse.gov using grex as an
open mail relay. There is an arab-american web site with offices in
Canada and Ann Arbor that contained at least one "interesting" bin-Laden
related message that was certainly investigated by law enforcement in
the weeks after the 9/11 attacks. That web site was apparently about
the size of grex.
You can draw whatever conclusions you like about this; I'm not sure it
really matters. I actually do agree with Dan that it's unlikely the
gov't would deliberately choose to go after grex, at least today. From
a purely informational standpoint, there's much more value to watching
e-mail going to/from grex, than attempting to shut it down and hoping to
catch whatever email traffic there is elsewhere.
I do think there is some chance the gov't will *accidently* do something
that would make it impossible to continue to operate grex. Many people
here on grex think CDA had the potential to do just that. There are
certainly other things the gov't might do that have a similar potential.
To take what I hope is purely hypothetical: suppose the gov't imposed
some requirement that all e-mail users have a strongly verified known
identity (ie, legal name, verified from driver's license or a proposed
national ID card), before they were allowed to send e-mail? Before 9/11,
I think the chances of such a proposal passing would have been virtually
non-existant. Today, this would pit hotmail and privacy advocates
against law enforcement, the post office, and politicians. It's hard to
say which side would win, but if it did, it practically guarantees grex
could no longer accept foreign users. Very likely it means we'd either
have to shut down completely, or become a strictly local operation,
because I don't see any chance of our suddenly acquiring the
multi-million dollar funding required to set up a ftf presence for
verifying national IDs nation-wide. As I said before, I think this is
very unlikely today. But we need to keep an eye out for what is
happening in the world, because it's clear our
"whatever-you-want-to-call-em"s in DC are very much shooting in the
dark, and there's no telling just what's going to happen in the near
future.
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