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keesan
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response 50 of 76:
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Mar 14 19:14 UTC 2002 |
The $10/month is instead of wasting time with commercials.
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slynne
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response 51 of 76:
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Mar 14 19:17 UTC 2002 |
The commercials sometimes are pretty entertaining especially out in
BFE.
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keesan
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response 52 of 76:
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Mar 15 00:07 UTC 2002 |
What is BFE?
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jazz
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response 53 of 76:
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Mar 15 05:28 UTC 2002 |
Anal intercourse, Egypt.
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gull
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response 54 of 76:
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Mar 15 15:06 UTC 2002 |
I'm skeptical. A lot of cable TV networks were commercial free at first,
too, but that didn't last long. Now you pay a subscription fee to watch
commercial breaks longer than those on broadcast TV.
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jazz
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response 55 of 76:
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Mar 15 15:09 UTC 2002 |
Comcast continues Mediaone's sordid tradition of selling late-night
airtime to infomercial providers. It's virtually impossoble to find
programming after 2 am.
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keesan
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response 56 of 76:
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Mar 15 16:30 UTC 2002 |
Do you have a VCR?
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other
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response 57 of 76:
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Mar 16 07:23 UTC 2002 |
I wonder what the origin of the BFE reference is. I've known it most of my
life.
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slynne
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response 58 of 76:
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Mar 17 16:18 UTC 2002 |
Heh, I remember hearing BFE as a child although I didnt know what it
stood for until later. Where would something like that come from? "Butt
Fuck, Egypt" It makes no sense.
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krj
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response 59 of 76:
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Mar 19 06:04 UTC 2002 |
Slashdot pointed to an interesting article about the Sirius satellite
radio system, the competitor to XM. I'm not sure I fully understand
it, but I think Sirius is asking the FCC to restrict the usage of
the 802.11 wireless networking frequencies, because those frequencies
are close enough to the Sirius frequencies that the music
service is seeing some interference issues.
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jmsaul
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response 60 of 76:
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Mar 19 06:47 UTC 2002 |
Stupid f*ckers. Hopefully, they'll get slapped down.
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gull
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response 61 of 76:
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Mar 19 13:37 UTC 2002 |
It wouldn't surprise me. 802.11 is rapidly becoming the new Citizen's Band,
complete with a total disregard for the legal limits on effective radiated
power. ;)
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jp2
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response 62 of 76:
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Mar 19 17:14 UTC 2002 |
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gull
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response 63 of 76:
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Mar 19 19:46 UTC 2002 |
Oh? Are they operating under Part 15?
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jp2
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response 64 of 76:
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Mar 19 20:08 UTC 2002 |
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gull
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response 65 of 76:
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Mar 19 20:36 UTC 2002 |
Probably. Unless 802.11 frequencies are right on top of theirs, it's
their own fault anyway -- this kind of problem can be solved with a
better bandpass filter on the input, or steeper IF filter skirts,
usually. That costs money, though. If it's like most consumer
receiver designs they cheaped out on filtering and hoped no one would
notice.
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krj
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response 66 of 76:
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Mar 19 21:21 UTC 2002 |
If I remember some of the more intelligent-sounding Slashdot
commentary, Sirius may actually have a case here because they are a
licensed service, analogous to TV or FM radio, while 802.11 wireless
users are unlicensed. However, as STeve pointed out, there are
maybe one million 802.11 wireless devices loose in the wild,
so it's a bit late to be thinking about locking the barn door.
Another commentator suggested that Sirius is finding out that it
is very difficult to receive satellite signals without a directional
antenna; this writer said that XM spent maybe a quarter of a billion
dollars putting up terrestrial towers to reinforce its signal in
high-density areas. The suggestion was that Sirius may have spent
several billion dollars to start up a service which has unsurmountable
technical problems.
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jp2
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response 67 of 76:
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Mar 19 21:32 UTC 2002 |
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gull
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response 68 of 76:
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Mar 19 21:35 UTC 2002 |
Re #66: It's illegal to intentionally interfere with a licensed
service. If you're emitting a legal signal and it interferes with
someone else's receiver, though, I think they have to accept that under
Part 15. For example, it'd be illegal for me to jam a local TV
station, but if my amateur radio transceiver (transmitting on a
frequency I'm legally entitled to transmit on) overloads the front end
of my friend's TV and interferes with his reception, that's not
illegal. This is why Part 15 devices often have a message on the back
saying something like, "this device must accept any interference,
including interference that may cause undesired operation."
Of course, it's possible the rules 802.11 is permitted under specify
that the devices cannot cause harmful interference, in which case they
may have a case. Anyone have an 802.11 device that has some relevent
legal boilerplate in the manual?
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russ
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response 69 of 76:
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Mar 20 03:25 UTC 2002 |
Re #68: I believe that it is unlawful for a Part 15 service to
interfere with a licensed service, and the Part 15 service must
accept any interference it receives; the licensed service does
not have to. If you want to be certain either way you can go to
the FCC site and read the language itself; it's not nearly as
obscure as most legal verbiage and is not hard to interpret IME.
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gelinas
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response 70 of 76:
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Mar 29 04:45 UTC 2002 |
Uhh... I was under the impression that wireless networking was using an
unregulated portion of the spectrum. Specifically, it is the band used by
microwave ovens, heart pacemakers and similar devices.
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gull
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response 71 of 76:
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Mar 29 15:04 UTC 2002 |
I think you're talking about the "industrial usage" portion of the
spectrum, used by things like microwave ovens, RF light bulbs, and
police speed radars. Basically it's a dumping ground for all kinds of
things that could generate interference, to keep them away from other
services. I'm not sure if 802.11 devices use those frequencies, but it
wouldn't surprise me; being spread-spectrum they can tolerate a fair
amount of narrowband interference.
It's an unlicensed band, but I don't think it's accurate to say it's
unregulated. There are limits on how much power you can radiate, I
believe, and maybe other things too.
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krj
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response 72 of 76:
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Mar 29 15:49 UTC 2002 |
Salon has a recent story reporting that Clear Channel is starting
to get some unwanted attention from the FCC and from the anti-trust
world. The FCC is investigating allegations that Clear Channel is
using shell corporations to conceal its ownership of some radio
stations whose acquisition would be in violation of what feeble
restrictions remain on the concentration of ownership.
Antitrust interest is being piqued by Clear Channel throwing its
weight around in the concert promotion business.
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other
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response 73 of 76:
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Mar 29 16:00 UTC 2002 |
My 802.11 device works in the 2.4GHz range. I thought that was the
standard.
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krj
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response 74 of 76:
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Mar 29 16:13 UTC 2002 |
Here's a business article on XM satellite radio which gives some
customer numbers:
http://musicdish.com/mag/?id=5575
In a press release on their 10K filing with the SEC, XM says it
had 28,000 subscribers at the end of 2001, and they claim that
makes their system "the fastest selling audio product
introduction in the last 20 years." They say they are on track
for 70,000 subscribers at the end of the first quarter of 2002.
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