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polygon
response 50 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 05:14 UTC 2001

(Subtitle: "Why Thomas Jefferson would love Napster.")
scott
response 51 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 02:18 UTC 2001

A typically insightful article about the ongoing collapse of the music
industry:
http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/07/19/industry_downturn/index.h
tml
"Napster's out the picture, but for the first time in a decade, album sales
are down -- and ticket sales are sagging too".

I hope this means the DIY/punk revolution I've been predicting will finally
happen.
krj
response 52 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 03:51 UTC 2001

Heh, beat me to it.  The Salon article is a fairly bleak catalog of 
failure.  It points out that Napster and file trading can't account
for the crash in concert ticket sales; it appears that consumers, 
in general, are tuning out music as a way to spend entertainment
money.
 
Salon also has a summary article on the current situation with 
file trading systems, which doesn't have much we haven't already 
covered here: it describes what's happening now as "the Napster diaspora."
mdw
response 53 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 06:14 UTC 2001

Could it be the recording industry has finally pissed off Too Many
People?
danr
response 54 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 12:32 UTC 2001

Sounds to me like people are waking up to the fact that they're getting 
gouged. Should we really care that Britney Spears, Eminem and 'N Sync 
are selling fewer records this year?
orinoco
response 55 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 13:43 UTC 2001

Well, that suggests an interesting question.  Does anyone know if there are
figures on the "average artist's" sales trends?  Is Joe Guitarist getting hurt
by this, or just Dave Matthews and Lars Ulrich?  

(Or whoever that guy from Metallica is.  Just pretend I got the name right,
'k?)
scott
response 56 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 14:58 UTC 2001

(serious drift)  Did anybody see the new Pepsi commercial with Britney Spears?
Did she get that outfit from Cher's garage sale or *what*???  No wonder her
popularity is collapsing.
aaron
response 57 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 16:13 UTC 2001

Britney Spears is a typical bubblegum pop artist. After a while, even 
her most ardent fans will find that she has lost her flavor, and spit 
her out.
gull
response 58 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 16:32 UTC 2001

Re #55: The "average artist" doesn't get a record contract, so his/her sales
are essentially zero. ;>
orinoco
response 59 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 22:43 UTC 2001

Touche.  Should have phrased that better.  How about "are obscure bands with
contracts hurting as much as the top names?"
senna
response 60 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 21 03:39 UTC 2001

There just isn't much to be excited about in music right now.  NSync and
Spears are probably two of the only major names around right now--nobody else
with huge name appeal is doing anything.  Metallica hasn't released original
music since Reload, and with Hetfield entering rehab, they probably won't be
for a while.  It's a typical example of a band that is theoretically a big
seller that isn't doing anything.  

Music has no major trend that's moving albums right now.  Boy bands are on
the way down, grunge is gone (there are survivors of these trends, but no
trends themselves to pad sales), and nothing has moved in.  The music industry
is partly to blame for this, for pushing trends so heavily-with such limited
portfolios, they would go broke in two weeks on wall street.  To follow
cliche, they should have diversified long ago.  They still should work on
that.  Produce music that a lot of people will find interesting a buy
consistently, if not outrageously.  In a better market, people like ken whose
interests are not at the top of the charts would have a niche that actually
got attention.  People without ken's verve for music don't get served at all,
and they stop buying anything.  
krj
response 61 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 21 03:55 UTC 2001

The New York Times runs its own version of Salon's "Napster Diaspora"
story:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/20/technology/20MUSI.html
 
Quote:  "Six of the alternative ((file trading)) services had 320,000
 to 1.1 million users each in May... Five of those services had little 
 traffic or did not even exist in February."  
  
And, file trading programs are the most commonly downloaded items 
at download.com.

So, now instead of fighting one file trading monster, Napster, the 
RIAA is now looking at fighting six of them.

This story ran on page 1 of the dead tree edition.
krj
response 62 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 23 21:44 UTC 2001

Same old same old...  from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,45234,00.html

Title:  "What if Napster *was* the answer?"
 
At a music and technology conference, anonymous major-label execs 
say privately that the labels should have managed to come up with 
a solution to work with Napster, because the post-Napster world is 
looking even tougher for them.
 
Analysts say that the major label download plans still look like losers,
and the majors have maybe 6-9 months to come up with something 
consumers will accept before the Napster successors are as big and
entrenched as Napster was at its peak.
krj
response 63 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 03:52 UTC 2001

A crowing piece on www.mp3newswire.net:
    http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2001/topclones.html
"Napster clones crush Napster, take 6 of the top 10 downloads on Cnet"
 
Napster won't talk about how many users have downloaded their new, 
restricted, beta software directly from them.  From Cnet, Napster
downloads are roughly 1% of the Morpheus downloads.
 
"RIAA president Hillary Rosen cheered triumphantly - almost tauntingly
 - a week ago when Judge Patel ordered that Napster will remain
 shutdown until it could reach 100% perfection in its filtering
 endeavors. It seemed almost that Rosen was oblivious to what
 Napster's shutdown was unleashing and that the reversal of Judge
 Patel's order last Wednesday was the least of her problems."
krj
response 64 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 04:30 UTC 2001

Napster's CEO Hank Barry, who was installed by the venture 
capitalists who funded Napster in its early stages, is stepping down.
   http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6651876.html?tag=mn_hd
dbratman
response 65 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 05:47 UTC 2001

Oh, the copyright/restricted usage situation is getting real bad.  At a 
recent librarians' conference, I was treated to the story of the Rocket 
e-book.  Originally, the physical readers were being sold as a loss 
leader: money would be made on selling content.  But the companies 
discovered that many reader-buyers were never buying content: they were 
using the readers to read free content from the web (Project Gutenberg 
texts, etc).

So the new models have been made with software that will only accept 
Rocket proprietary texts as readable.  And if you munge the reader 
software so that it will accept free texts, then whenever you hook up 
the reader to the web to search for or buy new product, the website 
will detect this and re-set the reader software.

Copyright owners have a legitimate interest in preventing illegitimate 
distribution.  But they've gone way beyond this, and challenged the 
hitherto unquestioned right of the purchaser to do whatever s/he wants 
with the purchased copy itself.  With much downloadable material, you 
can only use it on the computer you download it to.  You can't even 
transfer it to another computer you own, even if you erase it from the 
first computer at that time, which would be a fair restriction.

I think danr has the answer to falling sales: people are tired of 
getting gouged.  Every major arena concert in my area is followed by a 
sheaf of letters to the newspaper's arts section, complaining about too 
high prices for too little concert.
krj
response 66 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 17:07 UTC 2001

resp:64 ::  The new CEO of Napster is Konrad Hilbers, a veteran 
executive with Bertelsmann.   So Bertelsmann is tightening control
to try to salvage something from their investment in Napster, is 
my guess.  It's obvious by now that Napster isn't going to make 
the promised July date for the relaunch of their for-pay 
service.
krj
response 67 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 17:23 UTC 2001

From the hometown of the American record industry:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000060022jul23.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines
%2Dbusiness
   (sorry the URL is excessively long there)
The piece is fairly bleak about the early prospects for the major 
label download systems winning many customers.
 
Quotes:
>"All they're doing is having an electronic version of Tower Records," said
>Roger Noll, a Stanford University professor of economics. "I suspect that
>they're structured this way because they're so dominated by the record
>companies . . . [which are] very much afraid of a world where the unit of
>production is not the CD."
...
>The companies have revealed few details about their services, 
>but this much is clear: They won't be free, they won't offer a 
>comprehensive catalog of music,
>and they won't let subscribers transfer songs from their computers
>to their cars or living-room CD players.
...
>Dennis Mudd of Music Match said: "If you're going to have a
>service that's just like Napster except that it's got less content, 
>it's more expensive [and more restrictive] . . . you're going to lose."
mcnally
response 68 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 21:36 UTC 2001

  Last night, driving across northern California (somewhere in Mendocino
  or Sonoma County) I was listening to a local radio station's folk and
  bluegrass program when they cut in between songs with a recorded message
  describing how the station had ceased streaming its programming over the
  web because of legal fears related to the DMCA and recent court decisions.
dbratman
response 69 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 18:22 UTC 2001

That's a bad sign.  Up until now, restrictions on streaming webcasts 
used to be that they would remain streaming only (no downloads), and 
for webcast-only material that they wouldn't tell you in advance what 
you were going to hear next.

If radio broadcasting were invented today, the record firms would never 
allow it.  Going out ... over the airwaves?  And anybody with a cheap 
radio can, like, just listen to it without paying anything else?  
Unheard of?  Licensing, you say?  No licensing!  Just ... stop it!  Run 
for the hills!  Buy off Congress!
krj
response 70 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 18:53 UTC 2001

Issues like these were actually fought over at the time radio and 
the recording industry were young, and eventually Congress imposed
the structure we have today for royalties and compulsory licenses.
 
I have come to the conclusion that nothing successful will happen in the 
"legitimate" section of the online music field until Congress 
imposes a similar set of rules regarding royalties and compulsory 
licenses.  This is a good example of where the marketplace is NOT
working things out.  There are too many players, and they are all 
too greedy and determined to maintain control, for negotiations to 
reach a successful conclusion.  Songwriter representatives have
been indicating that they think the songwriters should get about
half the money from the online music business, compared to roughly
the dollar per CD they get today.
 
Wired news, today:  Universal has announced that it will launch
the Universal/Sony "PressPlay" system in the first half of September
-- whether or not agreements have been reached with the songwriters
whose works will be sold.    Universal is already being sued 
for having launched its farmclub.com download system without 
getting clearance on songwriting copyrights.
 
(Actually I kind of hope they do this.  With the Napster and "Tasini"
precendents, I think they'll be crushed for multi-million or billion
dollar damages, and unlike Napster, this time there will be a defendant
with deep pockets.  I call it poetic justice.)

Anybody want to debate "Tasini v. NY Times?"
aaron
response 71 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 20:42 UTC 2001

Given the recent decision that, unless they expressly signed over 
electronic rights to their work, freelance writers retain copyright on 
their work, the same would probably hold true for musical performances. 
Although my guess is that music companies, like print publishers, have 
been obtaining those rights as a matter of routine in recent years. That
 decision may slow Sony down a bit if it planned to offer music for
which  it does not have electronic rights.
gull
response 72 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 15:43 UTC 2001

Aren't musical performances in a different category now, the same one as
movies?  Something about "works for hire"?
krj
response 73 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 21:46 UTC 2001

Cnet:  "File Trading Pressure Mounts on ISPs"
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-6674297.html?tag=mn_hd
 
Sort of a repeat article, but maybe things are heating up again.
The copyright industry is trying to get ISPs to terminate customers who
run Gnutella or Napster-clones.  The Digital Millenium Copyright Act 
never envisioned a scenario where copyright infringements emanated from 
a user's home PC: the "notice and take down" scenario was designed for 
material on the ISP's machines -- web pages, for example -- and it 
is sharply limited to the 
copyright-contested material.   Nothing in the DMCA speaks to the issue
of copyrighted material not under direct control of the ISP, and nothing
in it talks about cutting off users from the net.
Some ISPs are bending to the will of the copyright industry and some aren't.
 
There's clear potential for abuse, and no semblance of due process, 
in what the copyright industry wants here.  The Church of Scientology,
just to pick a handy example, would love to be able to terminate the 
Internet access of its online critics.  The ISPs also realize
that file trading has driven all the money they have made selling 
high-speed connections, and they are wary of alienating their paying
customers.
micklpkl
response 74 of 151: Mark Unseen   Jul 30 13:41 UTC 2001

resp:36 -- An article in Stereophile magazine concerning Macrovision's
method of making audio CD's un-rippable.

http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094

"TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous
values," or bursts of digital noise, are added to the signal, forcing a
regular CD player, whose error correction can't usually handle such extreme
digital hash, to cover the gaps of bad data with data from before and after
where the distortion occurs. But when copying the audio file to another
device, like a PC's hard disc, the extreme digital values are said to
overwhelm the computer's ability to transfer the data properly, leaving
annoying noises in place of music."

(this "technology" was developed jointly by Macrovision & TTR Technologies,
and has been used *secretly* by several record labels on new releases, since
March of this year)

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