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Grex > Music2 > #167: Recorded Music Delivery Formats Past & Present |  |
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keesan
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response 50 of 126:
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Jan 6 00:52 UTC 1999 |
Jim thinks 45s were used for single songs only, and the back side was not even
important. They were selling hits. No reason to put two hits on one disk.
Why and when did 45s stop? There are also 3" CDs (or were) for single hits,
that can be played (?) in a regular CD player. Anyone know more?
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mcnally
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response 51 of 126:
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Jan 6 02:24 UTC 1999 |
That's certainly what 45s came to be used for, though I'm not sure
whether or not that was the original intention. The practice of having
a big hit on one side and a lesser known track or alternate version on
the other gave rise to a number of phrases that persist in the music
industry ("B-sides", "version")
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steve
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response 52 of 126:
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Jan 6 02:24 UTC 1999 |
I'll bet that the cassette hurt 45's, since you could take a
casette with you anywhere. I'll further bet that the final nail(s)
in the 45's coffin was the CD.
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bruin
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response 53 of 126:
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Jan 6 03:01 UTC 1999 |
BTW, back in the early 1960's, many Chrysler Corporation models had the option
of a 45 rpm record player. This option was dropped very quickly when
carowners complained about records being broken in the car phonograph.
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omni
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response 54 of 126:
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Jan 6 07:55 UTC 1999 |
I have a record, a 33 1/3 whose master was not a typical "master". This one
was mastered on 35mm film. It sounds like a CD, even though it's a record.
The company is Command Records, and the artist is Doc Sevrenson. Y'all ought
to hear it. It's really amazing.
I'll bring it to a potluck one of these days.
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mdw
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response 55 of 126:
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Jan 6 10:14 UTC 1999 |
By the 60's and 70's, almost all record players came with options to
play 33, 45, & 78's. For 45's, there was usually some sort of insert
that you could pop up or put in, to accomodate the larger hub opening on
45's. 78's were originally designed to use a much larger needle, so
would have required a different needle to play correctly. Sometimes you
would find 45's sold in magazines and the like. Instead of a rigid
disk, you would get a flexible square vinyl recording, bound in the
publication, that you could cut out and play. These only had grooves on
one side. Some reasons why 78's had pretty much vanished by the 60's.
The records had a lot more hiss on them. They wore out much faster.
And much of the music had gone out of fashion.
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scott
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response 56 of 126:
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Jan 6 12:10 UTC 1999 |
I recall (creaky old voice) record players where a little lever would flip
the needle cartridge over, exposing a different needle for playing 78's.
I also remember occasional records that were laminated into the back of cereal
boxes (The Archies had a few that way) to be cut out and played.
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mcnally
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response 57 of 126:
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Jan 6 17:12 UTC 1999 |
Yep, I remember those. They always sounded horrible and usually warped
within a week (if they weren't seriously warped from the beginning..)
Maybe that's where I acquired my appreciation of the wacky recording-
speed manipulations dub-masters do when they're mixing up the dub version
of a popular track.. :-)
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goose
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response 58 of 126:
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Jan 6 20:37 UTC 1999 |
Oooohhh...I've got lots of comments on this item, I just don't have
time right now to make them all. Damn. :-)
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lumen
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response 59 of 126:
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Jan 6 23:07 UTC 1999 |
Find the time and make the comments. I remember when omni mentioned his LP
mastered from 35mm before. It's too bad I live too far away to hear it.
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bruin
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response 60 of 126:
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Jan 7 01:04 UTC 1999 |
RE #57 Another example of the cardboard record insert I recall was in a _Mad_
magazine compilation, which was a song by Alfred E. Neuman called "It's A
Gas", which had burping sounds as part of the melody. One time I heard the
song on WCBN, and that was an industrial strength surprise, IMNSHO.
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omni
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response 61 of 126:
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Jan 7 08:35 UTC 1999 |
Send me a tape and I'll copy it for you.
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scott
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response 62 of 126:
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Jan 7 11:58 UTC 1999 |
35mm "mag stock" is common in the movie industry. It is basically like 35mm
film, coated to act as recording tape. They use it because it is very easy
to sync to real movie film during the editing processes.
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goose
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response 63 of 126:
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Jan 7 16:32 UTC 1999 |
Not to mention no wow and flutter since it's sprocketed. I'm compiling some
comments now....
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iggy
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response 64 of 126:
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Jan 7 20:51 UTC 1999 |
did anyone remember "the archies" 45's that were on the back of
cereal? (honeycombs?)
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scott
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response 65 of 126:
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Jan 7 22:34 UTC 1999 |
Yeah! That's exactly what was on the cereal boxes I'm thinking of.
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happyboy
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response 66 of 126:
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Jan 8 01:21 UTC 1999 |
we was so pore we hadda use them boxes fer torlet paypuh.
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omni
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response 67 of 126:
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Jan 8 10:03 UTC 1999 |
Yeah, I had a few of those. They sounded horrid.
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keesan
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response 68 of 126:
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Jan 8 20:28 UTC 1999 |
Re the flip needles, we have a few of the cartridges designed for them, but
most of the needles in these cartridges are both sides LP - one side diamond,
and the other a softer sapphire that you could use after the diamond broke
until you got around to replacing the stylus. You can play 78s with an LP
needle and they don't sound a whole lot worse.
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jshafer
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response 69 of 126:
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Jan 14 08:16 UTC 1999 |
Re: resp:7 way back there,
If I recall correctly, ADAT uses VHS video tapes?
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scott
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response 70 of 126:
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Jan 14 12:06 UTC 1999 |
Something like that. SVHS, probably. There have been other multi-track
formats based on video tape.
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eieio
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response 71 of 126:
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Jan 14 15:36 UTC 1999 |
Yes, it's S-VHS, though people who are really fussy about these kind of things
would insist that you not use off-the-shelf SVHS tape in an ADAT. They'd opt,
instead, for something branded as ADAT, like Ampex 486 (?).
For most of my film/video production classes, I used Ampex 486 as SVHS and
always had good luck with it, though.
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gull
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response 72 of 126:
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Jan 14 20:42 UTC 1999 |
In a related issue, is there any difference between audio DAT cassettes and
the ones used in DAT tape backup drives? They seem to be sold under
different labels.
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eieio
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response 73 of 126:
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Jan 14 21:14 UTC 1999 |
I'm sure you could find people who would say so; I don't have enough knowledge
of the issue to say with any authority.
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scott
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response 74 of 126:
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Jan 14 21:42 UTC 1999 |
I recall the docs for an HP DAT drive saying that data tapes were more
critical, but if they use the same basic encoding I can't see where you'd be
willing to sacrifice audio quality anyway.
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