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aruba
response 50 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 09:27 UTC 1997

Could someone explain to a clueless male how women's "sizes" are defined?  It
kind of boggles my mind that every woman has just one "size".  Men's clothes
seem to mostly be sold based on various measurements; like waist size, neck
size, inseam length.  These numbers appear right on the clothes!  And loose
fittingclothes, like T-Shirts and sweatshirts, are just Small, Medium, Large,
Extra Large, etc.

So...  Surely there are more shapes of women than there are women's sizes,
right?  In that case, how does anything fit?
birdlady
response 51 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 10:07 UTC 1997

That's the key...nothing ever does.  ;-)
valerie
response 52 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 13:48 UTC 1997

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iggy
response 53 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 16:10 UTC 1997

well, near as i can guess, manufacturers have a general "normal" size
which they make larger and smaller in proportions for other
sizes.
and , it isnt standardized between all manufactures either. you may
be a certain size in one brand, but a different size in another brand.
many of the 'upscale' department stores purposly run larger than
usual to feed on the vanity of some women "ohh, i can fit into a 
smaller size!".

and since many women dont have the perfectly portioned frames
to begin with, the clothes just dont fit.

that is why it takes women a bit longer to go clothes shopping.
and that is why many women insidt on trying on everything
before they purchase.
scott
response 54 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 13:45 UTC 1997

Not too long ago, families had homemade clothes, which weren't that flashy
but fitted well.  Alas, sewing machine skills are dying out...
beeswing
response 55 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 05:06 UTC 1997

Sizes suck. Just because a skirt is a size 12 doesn't mean I can fit into it. I
could go into a 10 or a 14, or if I want a really roomy skirt, a 16. So you
have to try on everything. There is nothing I hate more than trying on clothes.
abchan
response 56 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 16:51 UTC 1997

That's why I don't bother remembering what sizes I wear because I have to try
on everything anyway.

Carry a measuring tape when you shop.  It may take awhile to get used to but
it really cuts down on the amount of things you have to try on.

I wish I could learn to use a sewing machine but silly things like school keep
getting in the way (free time, what's that?)
birdlady
response 57 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 16:53 UTC 1997

I always grab three of everything to try on...one size above, below, and at
what I wear because I always forget what size I am in each brand.  Ugh.
clees
response 58 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 17:13 UTC 1997

But that's what I do also.
The one thing that's clearly in favour of me is that my taste is that explicit
that I know on forehand what I am going to buy, or when I am wlaking
windowshopping I can dismiss a shop within a second or two. But mainly I buy
clothes when I accidently run into something I like.
orinoco
response 59 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 22:01 UTC 1997

Well, for that matter I rarely buy jeans without trying them on, but I suppose
the separate waist and inseam measurements make that a bit less difficult.
otter
response 60 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 01:25 UTC 1997

In a perfect world, women's pants would be sized like men's, with the addition
of a hip measurement. Waist, hip, inseam. "Damn, all the 26-42-32 women
already shopped this rack!" 8^}
clees
response 61 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 08:36 UTC 1997

Hmm.
As far as I can see around me jeans look better on women than men...
birdlady
response 62 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 11:19 UTC 1997

That's because we have shape.  =)
clees
response 63 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 07:54 UTC 1997

Very true, my dear.
beeswing
response 64 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 07:23 UTC 1997

Agggh I hate trying on jeans! Pleh!

I'm rather leggy, so many jeans are too short. If the length is right, then
they are too tight in the butt or thighs. If they fit ok there, then the waist
is huge. 

Eddie Bauer jeans have worked well though, and only $28.
mta
response 65 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 02:15 UTC 1997

I find jeans extremely uncomfortable.  They press on my abdomen or they fall
down.  I much prefer elastic waist jersey trousers.  I have a relatively
slender waist, slim hips, and a large belly.  The elastic gives where it's
needed and gathers where that's needed and usually are a lot more flattering
and comfortable than jeans.  I despise sweat pants, though.  As far as I'm
concerned they belong in the gym, or may be appropriate for cleaning the
garage or the basement.  I've never seen anyone who could pull them off in
public.
aruba
response 66 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 06:43 UTC 1997

I've pretty much worn sweat pants exclusively for the last 9 months.
valerie
response 67 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 13:53 UTC 1997

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aruba
response 68 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:59 UTC 1997

Thanks!
birdlady
response 69 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 25 07:46 UTC 1997

I don't like to wear sweats while out shopping or at the movies, but they're
perfectly acceptable in early classes or when living in the computer labs
working on assignments.  =)  I think it's *how* you wear them that really
matters.  Grungy-looking sweats with a dirty t-shirt is a "cleaning the
basement" outfit.  Matching college sweats are "it's the weekend, and I'm
relaxing/running errands" type clothing.  <shrug>  I never really thought about
it.
beeswing
response 70 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 18:35 UTC 1997

i don't wear sweats out either, although I did when I was in college.
Although some people went to class looking like they'd just rolled out of bed
(hell, I guess many indeed had!). When I started working full-time, I found
many people also came to work barely awake. Eventually they had to overhaul the
dress code because casual day was more like "eating potato chips in front of
the TV on Sunday" day.
birdlady
response 71 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 28 04:26 UTC 1997

<grin>
scott
response 72 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 17:07 UTC 1997

I don't even *like* wearing sweats...
aruba
response 73 of 200: Mark Unseen   Dec 29 20:45 UTC 1997

I'm under no illusions that my sweats are particularly attractive.  But I have
enough discomforts in my life these days without my clothes adding to them.
clees
response 74 of 200: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 15:45 UTC 1998

what was that again?
I can't read before re#67 and to read all this over again or do something like
a simple read since...wearing sweatpants?
Hmm, at Sundays, when I run, indedd, errands at my house (cleaning the
bathroom and so on).
Going out in them without the purpose of going to a sports activity, ok, but
not while going to the movies. In my view that would be utter bad taste.
They are handy in long, twdious, busrides, though.
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