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Grex > Coop8 > #36: Conference participation files on Grex | |
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brighn
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response 50 of 113:
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May 3 16:29 UTC 1996 |
Rob, I don't think that FWs should be allowed to censor what users have to
say...
*covers his mouth and runs away befor Rob can catch him*
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remmers
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response 51 of 113:
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May 3 16:58 UTC 1996 |
I believe it could be set up so that only one person could enter
new items, but the mechanics might be a little awkward.
As I understand it, the object is that intro *not* be a place
that people "hang out", but rather a device that encourages
people to try other conferences. The trick is to get it to
work that way.
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remmers
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response 52 of 113:
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May 3 17:00 UTC 1996 |
And re #49: I have real reservations about a setup that would
mean that a newuser's first exposure to Grex would be to see
someone playing "Mr. Ruthless Bastard."
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robh
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response 53 of 113:
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May 3 19:31 UTC 1996 |
Same here. I'd much rather just have a conference where
nobody can post new items.
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janc
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response 54 of 113:
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May 3 20:50 UTC 1996 |
I'd bet you could set up a define in the rc file to cause the "enter" command
to print a polite message telling you that you should go to another conference
if you want to enter items. This could be defeated by anyone who really
wanted to enter an item, but they'd have to be moderately Picospan-savy, and
few people would want to bother. I haven't tried this though, so maybe it
won't work.
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draven
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response 55 of 113:
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May 4 03:30 UTC 1996 |
I think you'd need to set it to e_nter, to catch all of the possibilties,
but it should work. Working around it is easy, but you have to know how.
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rcurl
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response 56 of 113:
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May 4 07:07 UTC 1996 |
I looked at intro, and I thought you were rotating items in and out,
since the item #s were not consecutive. Aren't you? It would make sense
to do that, and let it be known. Most items have their main interest in
the beginning, so when an item gets "old", kill it, and rotate in another
with something interesting going on. This would tend to get users to
follow items that they are interested in to where they really reside.
The same with items entered by users - link them out after a while, to
a more appropriate conference (and, of course, give warning and instructions
for following it).
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robh
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response 57 of 113:
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May 4 07:52 UTC 1996 |
That's exactly what I've been doing so far. Linking "unwanted"
items out is a good idea, but only if we can actually get the
other f-w's to do it. I've already had one conference where
the f-w's never responded to my request to link items into Intro,
so I'd rather not have to rely on something like that.
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coyote
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response 58 of 113:
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May 4 15:23 UTC 1996 |
About the agora-intro thing:
I think that agora should stay the default, but on the newuser bulletin it
should point out that intro is a conference that's a good taste of everything,
so you should try it. I don't think that intro could really become a second
agora, because it's just linked items from different confs.
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popcorn
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response 59 of 113:
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May 4 18:50 UTC 1996 |
I was going to suggest redefining the "e_nter" command, but Jan beat me to
it.
Re 57: I'm not exactly sure what you mean about "linking unwanted items out".
Taking, say, a cooking item that someone enters, and linking it to cooking
and then killing it in intro?
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kerouac
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response 60 of 113:
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May 4 22:07 UTC 1996 |
#58...I disagree Coyote, nobody is going to read an intro conf
unless it is the default. What I'm thinking is that grex could prompt
new logins for a password change after the first thirty days, and code
could be added that would automatically change the default from intro to
agora at the time of the first password change.
I see no reason this shouldnt at least be tried as the default for a set
period of time as an experiment, say thirty or sixty days...
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scott
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response 61 of 113:
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May 4 23:22 UTC 1996 |
Automatic changes to apparent behavior of Grex for newbies? Oh, we'd get
flamed for that, Big Time.
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kerouac
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response 62 of 113:
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May 4 23:57 UTC 1996 |
I dont know if you'd get flamed...all thats really needed is a prompt
that would occur at some point asking whether a newbie wants to keep
intro as default or change to agora....since most wont want intro after
a while this would make sense
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adbarr
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response 63 of 113:
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May 5 00:24 UTC 1996 |
If the purpose of Intro is to increase conference participation, and if
that is in response to a problem -- low participation, what can it hurt
to experiment for a few days? Scott, I am not sure I understand the thrust
of your #61. I really do not think the problem here is the nature of
the conferences, it is, I think the nature of the learning curve to access
this system. It is, in my humble (and very grateful) opinion, time to
consider change. Change, that is, if Grex intends to be part of a community
wider than it know enjoys. We are really talking here about what Grex is
and will be.
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scott
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response 64 of 113:
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May 5 02:06 UTC 1996 |
Well, whenever we make changes, *somebody* gets extremely pissed. I'd like
to try Intro for a month and see what happens.
However, if you'll recall about a year ago when "forced password changes" was
the big topic... once a year was *way* too often for some people apparently.
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rcurl
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response 65 of 113:
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May 5 05:17 UTC 1996 |
I don't understand 61 and 64. To newusers, the system is the way they find
it. If they find intro first, how are they to know otherrs found agora first?
Who's to be pissed?
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adbarr
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response 66 of 113:
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May 5 10:25 UTC 1996 |
Humans have the unique ability to be upset at any time, even retroactively.
I do remember the password arguments, ad nauseum. I notice that the recent
notice to change passwords has not (unless it is hidden in the thickets
of Agora) generated so much as a meek whimper of complaint. But then, I live
a sheltered life. I agree that Inrtro should be tried. If not already done,
it might be good to beg for feedback from the newusers as to the utility
of the concept. They might surprise us all with their ideas.
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janc
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response 67 of 113:
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May 5 15:10 UTC 1996 |
I still don't believe that upsetting a few people should stand in the way of
improving the system. And I still believe we should be willing to experiment.
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arthurp
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response 68 of 113:
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May 5 16:22 UTC 1996 |
I think that carefully thought out plans should be tried. Intro seems to be
one of these. Go for it. You can't please everyone all the time.
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rcurl
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response 69 of 113:
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May 5 17:34 UTC 1996 |
Do it. "Experience is the best teacher." (And "it should be, since it costs
so much".)
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kerouac
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response 70 of 113:
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May 5 21:08 UTC 1996 |
Can this experiment with intro as the default be put in place based on
coop consensus or does cfadmin (scott) want a board vote first?
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scott
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response 71 of 113:
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May 5 22:48 UTC 1996 |
No, I'd like to see a change. I'm just bitching about people who hate
changes. :)
I think we need to put something in the motd so that non-Coop followers can
have a chance to discuss this change, though.
I'll start an item, if there isn't already one, and put a note in the motd
about it.
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adbarr
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response 72 of 113:
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May 5 23:52 UTC 1996 |
An even-handed approach, if I ever saw one. Do the thing.
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popcorn
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response 73 of 113:
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May 6 12:26 UTC 1996 |
Scott, how are you planning to implement the change? Are you going to set
it up so that new users have a .cflist that plops them in intro first, rather
than agora? Or are you going to change the default conference so that
everybody, old and new, is automatically put into intro unless they specify
some other conference? Just curious....
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scott
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response 74 of 113:
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May 6 16:06 UTC 1996 |
I was going to ask that myself pretty soon. :)
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