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Grex > Coop8 > #19: What Should The Co-op Login Screen Say? |  |
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rcurl
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response 50 of 280:
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Feb 17 08:57 UTC 1996 |
"Power corrupts,
and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
---- er...whatshername...
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adbarr
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response 51 of 280:
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Feb 17 11:17 UTC 1996 |
Power, however delicately applied, ultimately grows out of the barrel of a
gun. Some Oriental guy, I think. The issues here are bouncing back to the roll
of staff, the responsibilities of the board, and the will of the members. How
droll.
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scott
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response 52 of 280:
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Feb 17 12:49 UTC 1996 |
I hardly think that tsty and nephi have "absolute" power here...
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rcurl
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response 53 of 280:
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Feb 17 20:08 UTC 1996 |
I couldn't find the quote about "and some power corrupts somewhat".
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steve
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response 54 of 280:
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Feb 18 06:24 UTC 1996 |
No, they don't Scott, but they certainly don't seem to be listening
to the content of whats being said about this.
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adbarr
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response 55 of 280:
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Feb 18 11:11 UTC 1996 |
What is being said?
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davel
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response 56 of 280:
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Feb 18 23:11 UTC 1996 |
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
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adbarr
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response 57 of 280:
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Feb 19 01:21 UTC 1996 |
Are we upset about what happened, or how it happened? I understand there is
some, perhaps legitimate, criticism for a reaction to . . . what . attacks
.. on the login screeen? But the issue of the login screen itself seems to
me to be unresolved. I posit it was intended as something to stimulate
intellectual activity (am I wrong, tsty, nephi?> and, as such, was good.
Nephi may have overreated a bit, but he has paid his dues here, and I doubt
he has been the only one here to get a little heated at times. Why are "you"
upset, and "what" are you upset about? Not directed to anyone, but to all.
This has been more confusing than a New York lease.
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steve
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response 58 of 280:
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Feb 19 05:02 UTC 1996 |
Personally, I am mildy annoyed at the length of the login screen.
If I didn't usually come in over a local line, I might be more
annoyed at the length.
I am more disturbed at the tone of the login message and the
fact that it is forced on people every time they log in here,
as opposed to a bulletin message that is seen once. I would
have little objection to the message being touched every week
or so, just to keep it in peoples minds. I don't think thats
needed, but I think that would be a reasonable compromise between
what we have now, and what a lot of people would like (namely
as little as possible).
Up to now, we've had a really laid-back style of FWing in this
conference; its been really pretty much janitorial. This issue
is not in keeping with that mode of operation, and with issues
like teh CDA comming up any comments on this detract from the more
real issues of teh day.
Up to now, we've had very little "government" in the coop
conference. I think we've just gotten more of it now.
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remmers
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response 59 of 280:
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Feb 19 10:41 UTC 1996 |
The coop login screen reminds me of those "nag" messages that some
shareware programs print when you haven't paid for them yet. When
you pay for the shareware, the nag messages go away. I read coop at
least once a day, sometimes more, feel that I've "paid my dues" and
understand what coop is about just fine, and am irritated by being
shown these three paragraphs of explanation about it every time I
join. I'd be irritated by shareware that still printed the nag
messages after I paid for it too.
How good or bad the content of the login message is, isn't really
the point. I think that Grex has an excellent "statement of
principles" that it shows to newusers, but I'd be irritated as
hell with that statement by now if it were shown to me every time
I logged in.
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adbarr
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response 60 of 280:
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Feb 19 13:03 UTC 1996 |
Those concerns are valid and understandable. A new user might appreciate the
information, however. Can this be resolved. Remmers and STeve are hardly
typical users. Or are they?
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steve
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response 61 of 280:
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Feb 19 19:16 UTC 1996 |
We're probably not typical. But for a heavy user of this conference,
they will hit the message every time they get on. That adds up over
time.
The occaisonal user of coop won't mind (or crash into it nearly
as much, I will bet. I mean, if you get into coop once every three
weeks, then it doesn't matter much.
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mta
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response 62 of 280:
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Feb 19 20:59 UTC 1996 |
Steve's suggestion of the banner message would serve for newcomers to co-op,
I think.
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mdw
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response 63 of 280:
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Feb 20 04:42 UTC 1996 |
The contents belong in "bull" or perhaps "welcome", or item 1. They
don't belong in the login banner. The login banner is like a book cover
or the front of a can of beans. It ought to have the conference name &
little more. The more there is, the more clutter there is, and the less
effective it is. This is even more true here than on a real can of
beans, because of baudrate and screen size limitations. The bulletin,
welcome, & item 1 are like the sides & backs of a cereal box, or like a
book jacket blurb, or like a preface. This is the right place to put
descriptive text. I don't think there's anything particularly
revolutionary about any of this; it's simply human nature & how the
software is setup.
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ajax
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response 64 of 280:
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Feb 20 07:17 UTC 1996 |
M B a
& k
CO-OP e
B d
The Original
but Porkier!!
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chelsea
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response 65 of 280:
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Feb 20 09:51 UTC 1996 |
The Co-op conference is not a vanity conference and this is
not the place for fairwitnesses who want to manage things.
If the Co-op fairwitnesses have an opinion as to the philosophy
behind Grex then put it into an item where participants will
only have to read it once and where they will be able to
comment and add to the discussion.
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steve
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response 66 of 280:
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Feb 20 19:30 UTC 1996 |
I agree. (sigh)
But the FW's aren't listening.
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kerouac
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response 67 of 280:
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Feb 20 19:50 UTC 1996 |
maybe its time to impeach the current fw's and appoint new ones...I'm
not sure how often read this conf anyway. Besides, its good to have
new fw blood once in a while.
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steve
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response 68 of 280:
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Feb 20 21:46 UTC 1996 |
No, I can't agree with that. I wouldn't even know how to go about
that. But I do wish they'd listen more closely.
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adbarr
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response 69 of 280:
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Feb 20 23:57 UTC 1996 |
Are we back to "square 1"? What rules have been violated here? Perhaps we make
up the rules as we go? We are complaining loudly and vigorsly, which is fine,
but what is it we are complaining about. Tsty and Nephi, seemingly, broke a
rule, and there is much complaining and teeth-gnashing about that
transgression, but the "rule" remains buried under tons of debris and personal
opinion. I refer you to the Temple Lions of Grex -- same impact in time, so
what is the beef?
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kerouac
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response 70 of 280:
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Feb 21 00:35 UTC 1996 |
Tsty and nephi are as fine as anyone else as fw's...but they dont seem
to participate as much as others in this conf. This should have been
re-started two or three weeks earlier than it was this time. I just
think coop is one of those confs that needs to have rotating fw's
(agora is another one) because the conf is very active and it can be
hard for anyone to keep up if they get behind.
On the other hand, there is no rule that says every conf has to have a
cute graphic on its intro page. Noone is making anyone read the login
screen to coop so this is really blown out of proportion.
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scott
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response 71 of 280:
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Feb 21 00:39 UTC 1996 |
So when nephi and tsty were talking about getting the opening right, everybody
either didn't respond or barely even mentioned it... now we have calls for
public decapitation.
<sigh>
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steve
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response 72 of 280:
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Feb 21 04:23 UTC 1996 |
I may be all wrong on this Scott, but I wasn't aware of the login
screen 'till I'd joined the conference for real. I was under the
impression that I couldn't have joined much earlier than when I did,
and that the login screen was being worked on till just before the
conference went live. Or did I get that all messed up?
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rcurl
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response 73 of 280:
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Feb 21 04:58 UTC 1996 |
Re #69: Arnold, the "rule" chosen by the FWs is "Decisions are made by a rough
consensus of all participants." The rough consensus is that the login screen
should be made shorter, simpler, and less pedantic. The FWs have therefore
broken their rule.
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scg
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response 74 of 280:
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Feb 21 04:59 UTC 1996 |
Way back there, one of the FWs said that if the conference login was going
to change, he wanted the board to vote on it. Is that still the case? I
really hope it doesn't come to that, but we do have a board meeting coming
up.
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