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scg
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response 50 of 198:
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Aug 12 04:43 UTC 1995 |
I agree with Carson. While skin color does say something about a person's
ancestry from way back, I generally find that more recent diverse backgrounds
are what make groups more intresting. There is certainly a statistical
corelation between life experiences and skin color, to an extent, but
statistics don't say much about an individual.
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chelsea
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response 51 of 198:
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Aug 12 04:54 UTC 1995 |
Re: #49 (I'm glad you said it. It needed to be said.)
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otterwmn
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response 52 of 198:
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Aug 14 17:53 UTC 1995 |
To me, everyone on grex is kind of a funky gray, with a pink and blue
background. Unless one lives in the AA area, and/or attends the meetings, we
all look the same. If we are judged at all, it is by the validity of our
comments, not our unknown racial/ethnic/socia-economic history.
oops...socio-
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sbj
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response 53 of 198:
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Aug 14 20:01 UTC 1995 |
We're not people. We're sources of data. :)
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dang
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response 54 of 198:
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Aug 15 19:01 UTC 1995 |
I must admit that I have met most of the board, but I have never voted
on an ellection. I personally have no idea as to race of people on
grex, unless I have personally met them, and sometimes not as to gender
either. I couldn't care less. That is one of the things that I like
about grex, is that I don't have to care, or indeed even know, what race
people are. On this terminal, everyone is orange and black.
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zook
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response 55 of 198:
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Aug 16 02:09 UTC 1995 |
Re: 52, 53. <Zook is not sure he passes the Turing test> :-)
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dpc
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response 56 of 198:
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Aug 18 00:18 UTC 1995 |
White males have benefited from an affirmative action program for the
past 300 years called "being a white male." 8-)
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adbarr
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response 57 of 198:
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Aug 18 02:36 UTC 1995 |
dpc -- yes, but can you be more specific? It is a little hard
to directly engage that statement. And it would be interesting
to consider.
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carson
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response 58 of 198:
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Aug 18 02:59 UTC 1995 |
re #56: only shows how idiotic it is to judge a person by the color
of their skin. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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tsty
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response 59 of 198:
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Aug 18 07:27 UTC 1995 |
re to #2 ... a tad bit ago ... carson, i'm almost tempted to accept
your nomination. Please don't make it yet, i'm still in a thinking
mood. Frankly, i don't "like" Grex as much now as i used to. The
people are a different story entirely, i like them more as i have
come to know them.
as danr can report, my membership was jsut dropped - my sponsor(s) were
unquotably disgusted with Grex.
As rcurl can report, i'm pulling out of the rehab project. Grex has more
todo with that decision than thje project, itself, does.
A jelly-firm perception of mine, recently, has been that Grex's "movers
and shakers" (either be default or with intent ..??) want to keep a
crippled "system" as an iconoclatic oddity amongst the hi-flyers.
There is not a single thing wrong with that goal bythje "movers and
shakers" of Grex.
I'm not sure I can, or would, be willing to cooperate with that design
of goal on this sort of system. I see trememdous value being ignored
and/or wasted as well as some virtues/values being raised as Holy Grails.
I sense great fear and loathing (ref: Hunter Thompson) cast toward thje
NIH factors and the NIMBY reactions. I sense fear and loathing against
"outside thoguhts" which may tend to contaminate the mindset of thje
movers and shakers. <<this phenomonon (sp) was first spoken openly
by meg when thje 2400 bps internet link was suggested - she, correctly,
imo, warned about the potential dangers of change(s)>> . Neither she
nor I classify as Pollyanna types.
At this moment, I just don't know what Grex +intends+ for itself
in the coming year(s) and as a result I just don't know whether/if i
could "go along with the program" as a "caretaker" Borg member.
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mju
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response 60 of 198:
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Aug 18 17:09 UTC 1995 |
Uh, what?
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steve
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response 61 of 198:
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Aug 19 05:52 UTC 1995 |
I'm mystified too. I do understand that TS isn't happy
with the way things have gone on Grex, and I'm not thrilled
with them myself. Certainly the most important problem has
been the disk bug, which will be stomped on by virtue of leaving
this op system and going to something more modern.
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carson
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response 62 of 198:
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Aug 19 06:11 UTC 1995 |
I guess make that three. TS is much better when he's informed. Really.
Despite his color of skin (big smileys for the sarcastically impaired),
TS seems to me to have a diverse opinion from those who are usually
associated Grex, including me. I don't always agree with TS... heck,
let's be honest: it's rare. I don't think that should be the point. I
don't believe that TS has any intention of purposely harming Grex. If
anything, TS is one of those rare people who cares about Grex and is
willing to invest the time to help make it a success and pleasant for
as many users as possible. It is for that reason that I think he deserves
a chance.
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srw
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response 63 of 198:
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Aug 19 14:40 UTC 1995 |
I, for one, appreciate many of the things TS has done for Grex.
I think some other staffers and board members do too.
I would be pleased if he would reconsider his decision to leave the
computer rehabilitation project. His contributions there have been
important.
I wish he weren't so unhappy with the way things are going here, but I
certainly understand, as things are going badly and will continue to do so
until we have the Sun 4 up and running.
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tsty
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response 64 of 198:
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Aug 20 18:36 UTC 1995 |
and in addendum to #59 (because I could't find it at that time) everything
said there (translated to Public-PR) was in the Bates' Grex article, of
late, quoting adn paraphrasing me accurately, " Grex is to the Internet
what Ann Arbor is to the world, a relatively small collection of bright,
curious, friendly people ... It's a very comfortable island populated
by very respectable and respectful people."
Neither response is in contradiction, i support both.
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lilmo
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response 65 of 198:
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Sep 16 07:16 UTC 1995 |
carson, I found your comments regarding efforts by other members to promote
"diversity" rather reactionary. No proposal has been made to force
non-white-male board members on the rest of us, nor even that any such
candidates be given any special considerations in the election. She merely
encouraged any such persons considering a run for the board to do so.
Furthermore, "diversity" of a group is not measured by the sum of the
diversity measures of the members of that group, but by the MIX. If you have
a bag of marbles, with 2 or 3 marbles each blue, red, yellow, orange, purple
and green; and another bag with 15 swirled magenta, cyan, and puke
yellow, which is more diverse? The marbles in the latter bag are a pretty
unusual color, but the group as a whole is pretty homogenous. The first bag
has a VERY diverse mix, even though any given marble is just a solid color.
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srw
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response 66 of 198:
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Sep 17 18:55 UTC 1995 |
If people were like marbles, and their color determined all that you
might want to know about their diversity, I would agree that Carson
was being reactionary. However. I agree totally with his point that
diversity should not be measured by color. I'm with Carson on this.
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lilmo
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response 67 of 198:
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Sep 17 20:31 UTC 1995 |
obviously, I simplified to make a point, but my primary point was that a
single person cannot be judged diverse or not; a GROUP is or is not diverse.
My secondary point (though expressed first) was that carson was not even
responding to what popcorn said; he seemed to be responding to some vastly
disproportionate spectre of what COULD have been said, but was not said OR
meant, by popcorn, or anyone else.
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steve
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response 68 of 198:
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Sep 18 02:11 UTC 1995 |
All the comments notwithstanding, it is true that all but one
persons on the Cyberspace board have been male, and all positions
on the board have been held by european origin.
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popcorn
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response 69 of 198:
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Sep 18 04:48 UTC 1995 |
This response has been erased.
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remmers
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response 70 of 198:
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Sep 18 10:07 UTC 1995 |
I think meg and arabella were the only female board members besides
yourself. Others have run, but weren't elected.
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rcurl
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response 71 of 198:
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Sep 18 20:06 UTC 1995 |
To help mitigate the gender issue a little, you should know that my older
brother is a male, and so my parents planned on having a girl for a
second child (which fact has bearing upon my name). So I am a *planned*
female, which helps balance the board a bit, doesn't it?
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iggy
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response 72 of 198:
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Sep 18 22:38 UTC 1995 |
you are a FEMALE?
jeeze, i didnt know that. how can i take anything you say seriously *now*?
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steve
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response 73 of 198:
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Sep 19 02:44 UTC 1995 |
I stand corrected. Thanks (gack--the history of Grex is getting
long enough that I can completely space out past board people. Wow).
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rcurl
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response 74 of 198:
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Sep 19 07:16 UTC 1995 |
Re #72: no - as I said, they *planned* for a female, but that time
the plan didn't work. So I'm a male, but I was intended to be a
female, which must count a half-point or something re the board
balance. Yes?
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