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tsty
response 50 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 12:36 UTC 1995

As I remember Village Kitchen, tehre were two general seating
spaces, one with movable tables (to the right) and the booths
(to the left).
  
Might work if we confiscate one side or another ...
davel
response 51 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 12:46 UTC 1995

C,H,I,? - but I'm not likely to be there any time in the near future.  I've
definitely found Zing's noise level to be a major problem; odd that those
other customers don't find Grex's noise (much louder than theirs, normally)
to be bad enough to move elsewhere ...
popcorn
response 52 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 15:26 UTC 1995

No, they just talk more loudly, too, same as we do.
<sigh>
popcorn
response 53 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 18:54 UTC 1995

Another agenda item: Getting an upgrade for our Hayes Optima modems.
Someone said it would cost about $50 to upgrade from v.fast to v.34, and
v.34 is much less likely to hang up the phone all by itself.
jep
response 54 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 04:22 UTC 1995

        I forgot to mention: I'm unlikely to shut up in any case.  (-:
popcorn
response 55 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 15:24 UTC 1995

(Good!)
sidhe
response 56 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 20:02 UTC 1995

        <Sidhe really dislikes the EZ-Think style of cf-ing>
popcorn
response 57 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 20:04 UTC 1995

It's OK, Chris.  You're allowed to write out your opinions the long way.
The EZ-Think entry above was intended as a way to make it easy to create
an EZ-Summary of the opinions of the folks who go to these meetings.
popcorn
response 58 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 15:12 UTC 1995

Another agenda item: choosing new cfadm trainee(s).  See item 14 
for details.
sidhe
response 59 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 20:58 UTC 1995

        Yes, and that's fine.
popcorn
response 60 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 23:22 UTC 1995

Here's a summary of the "EZ Think" responses:

Is it important to have food available?
A: Very important               1
B: It's nice                    5
C: Don't care:                  2
D: It's distracting             0
E: Other                        0

Do you want to meet at Zing's?
F: Yes                          3
G: Don't care                   2
H: No                           3

How's the noise at Zing's?
I: Too loud                     5
J: Not a problem                2
K: oops... I wrote this wrong, but nobody chose it anyway so it's OK

Meet at Michigan Union?
L: Yes                          1
M: Don't care                   4
N: Yucch!                       2

Which leaves us about where we started: confused.
popcorn
response 61 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 23:59 UTC 1995

Here's the tentative agenda.  Please yell if there are items you want
added/changed/deleted on the list.  It's already looking long....


1. Initial Gavel Banging - popcorn                              < 1 minute
2. Treasurer's Report - danr                                    5 minutes
3. 501(c)3 Committee Report - rcurl                             5 minutes
4. Computer Rehabilitation Committee Report - rcurl             5 minutes
5. Publicity Noncommittee Report (part I) - ?                   1 minute
6. Technical Committee Report - STeve                           20 minutes
7. Grex Newsletter - rcurl                                      10 minutes
8. Guest Accounts - ?                                           10 minutes
9. Verification Policy - remmers                                15 minutes
A. Separate Phone Line For Gryps - STeve                        15 minutes
B. Selecting A New Co-op Fair Witness - ?                       10 minutes
        nominees are sidhe, nephi, eeyore, and omni
C. Selecting A New Publicity Chair - popcorn                    5 minutes
        nominee is mta
D. Selecting New Apprentice Cfadm(s) - remmers and popcorn      10 minutes
        nominees are helmke, omni, robh, nephi, davel
E. Budget Proposals From The Plan-The-Budget Meeting -
     srw, popcorn, other folks who were at the meeting          15 minutes
F. Upgrading The Hayes Optima Modem(s) - popcorn                5 minutes
G. JCC Sale (March 26) - STeve                                  5 minutes
H. Joining WIN Consortium To Apply For A TIIAP Grant - popcorn  20 minutes
I. New Business - all                                           ??
J. Final Gavel Banging (whew!) - popcorn                        < 1 minute
popcorn
response 62 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 00:13 UTC 1995

John Remmers suggested that it would be nice if HVCN people got to
know Grex people, maybe by attending a board meeting, so I sent a note
to the HVCN e-mail mailing list, inviting people to this meeting.

(In the message, I pointed out that we would be mostly doing internal
Grex stuff for the first part of the meeting, and that the HVCN-related
stuff was likely to be discussed some time after 9, so it might be more
interesting for them to show up closer to 9).
popcorn
response 63 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 00:13 UTC 1995

(I hope that was an OK thing to do.)
robh
response 64 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 00:47 UTC 1995

Sounds reasonable to me.  I might even be able to attend
this one!
eeyore
response 65 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 06:26 UTC 1995

i'd attend, but gotta work.

some of those times look ReALLY optimistic to me...good luck keeping to them!
ajax
response 66 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 11:47 UTC 1995

The guest account proposal was tabled last time, to give folks a chance to
read up on it I guess, so hopefully that will get a vote this time around.
 
Also, I gather someone is proposing buying one GVC modem for the two free
phone lines, to see if its okay, and if it is, buying another in the future.
I think buying two modems now is reasonable.  If a dealer can be found with
a 30-day MBG, great, but if not, worst case, Grex could probably sell it for
25% below cost.
 
I don't think it's worth letting an extra phone line sit idle another month
to see how they work.  A modem costs more than a month's phone bill, but I
don't see what a month of use will tell you that you can't already find out
from users like M-Net (they've got 16 or so).  I'm not saying there aren't
questions, but if there are, they should be asked before *any* purchase.
ajax
response 67 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 22:40 UTC 1995

One other item for new business, I wonder if you could vote on whether or
not to get a free listing in Computer Shopper, as discussed in item 113
of the previous co-op conference.  If nobody else wants to, I volunteer
to enter the info, and give the phone number and account info to the
board or publicity coordinator, so it can flagged it as "current" every
three months (that's what CS requests).  Also, remember that the
description field proposed below will probably only have the first three
items listed.
 
 < 1>    Title: Grex
 < 2>     City: Ann Arbor
 < 3>    State: MI
 < 4>  Country: USA
 < 5>    Sysop:
 < 6>    Phone: (313) 761-3000
 < 7> Hardware: Unix
 < 8> Software: Picospan
 < 9>    Modem: 8 lines, Supra 2400
 <10>  Started:
 <11>      Fee: No fee
 <12>     Desc: Conferences, chat, Internet E-Mail, telnet cyberspace.org.
lilmo
response 68 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 23:05 UTC 1995

"Unix" for Hardware?  I thought that was an OS....
ajax
response 69 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 23 01:13 UTC 1995

  Unix is an OS, but the multiple choice answers they gave listed
OSs as much as hardware features.  Unix was one of the choices,
and I figured it would be more meaningful to readers than filling
in "Sun 3/60" under "Other."  The options they gave were as follows:
 
 < 1 > MS-DOS 8088     < 5 > Amiga
 < 2 > MS-DOS 80286    < 6 > Macintosh
 < 3 > MS-DOS 80386    < 7 > Unix
 < 4 > MS-DOS 80486    < 8 > Other
lilmo
response 70 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 23 06:12 UTC 1995

*primordial grunt*  Well, it that's the way they're gonna be about it, 
then I guess I"d have to go along with your judgement in this case.  *shrug*
sidhe
response 71 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 23 23:56 UTC 1995

        wait a second. Is this the MCU debate or something different?
ajax
response 72 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 24 00:27 UTC 1995

Different...Computer Shopper is a less controversial national mag that 
offers free listings.  
srw
response 73 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 24 06:26 UTC 1995

The board voted to approve this. There were some minor wording changes,
but they were not made based n the options listed in #69.
The response was changed to "Sun 3/260 running Unix".
This is still option 7 as far as I am concerned.

The details are in the minutes of the board meeting which I will post
in a separate item (according to tradition). Hmm. it's a tradition I  never 
had fully explained to me. I think the answer is to make it easier to find the
minutes alone by browsing the Conference. So I will follow that...
Look for the minutes in a new item.
rcurl
response 74 of 81: Mark Unseen   Mar 24 08:15 UTC 1995

The minutes are also maintained in separate files in a directory I
can never find again. That is probably what instigates the separate
item posting too - but find a Grex historian - I'm just speculating.
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