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scg
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response 50 of 81:
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Jun 6 06:03 UTC 1995 |
It was hardly the first thing Ryan had done. This was not in reaction
to one isolated incident.
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davel
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response 51 of 81:
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Jun 8 16:18 UTC 1995 |
Re #49: yes, there seem to be quite a few people who think it's OK for them
to do anything at all to anyone who annoys them. One would think that their
response to all this was "Avi annoyed staff, & staff responded. Cool." For
some reason, they expect staff to exercise more restraint than *they're*
willing to.
Fortunately, staff acts in a reasonably professional manner. I personally
have managed to annoy some of them, & they've said so freely in some cases.
I haven't had to worry about finding all my files removed or anything like
that because staff views doing things like that as out of bounds. (We're
talking about people with root access, who could do things like that any
time.)
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carson
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response 52 of 81:
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Jun 8 16:56 UTC 1995 |
second #51.
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selena
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response 53 of 81:
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Jun 9 11:45 UTC 1995 |
So, what was the difference?
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avi
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response 54 of 81:
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Jun 10 12:37 UTC 1995 |
Uhm....woah. I knew I shoulda froze this item.
;)
-Avi
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tsty
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response 55 of 81:
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Jun 11 04:48 UTC 1995 |
nah, keep it open ... Question: Does blob-the-thief still have
an account?
Maybe i'm a bit different but if you steal from +me+ i am gonna
think about ways and means to convice you, the thief, that such
actions beg for recompense - - a "reward" if you will.
avi and i chatted for quite a while elsewhere about some of this
situation. Frankly, even if it might piss of a couple of people, i'm
not surprised too much by "officialdom's answer," typically saddened
by the typical unbalanced "throwing of weight," but hey, no one ever
said Grex was perfect.
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srw
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response 56 of 81:
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Jun 11 08:11 UTC 1995 |
Yes, blob still has an account. What would your "balanced" throwing of weight
have done?
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popcorn
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response 57 of 81:
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Jun 11 11:51 UTC 1995 |
Um, blob is 10 years old....
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glenda
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response 58 of 81:
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Jun 11 15:22 UTC 1995 |
Frankly, I believe that the person setting things up so that someone else
can do damage to another person's account is just as guilty as the person
who does the actual damage.
The actions by the staff members in this incident were not made in a hasty
decision. I sat here and listened/watched STeve and Marc deal with this.
They watched both perps for several hours and went through a lot of talking
on line and over to phone before they did anything.
Personally, I would have had serious doubts about letting them have their
accounts back at all. No one has the right to mess with another's account,
whatever the provication and the fact that the victum is only 10 makes it
even more odious. His error in not citing avi's authorship should have been
pointed out to him and what the legal consequences could be. If he did not
than rectify the matter, his parents should have been brought into it. One
does not teach a child proper manners by taking advantage over him or by
taking revenge out on him.
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peacefrg
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response 59 of 81:
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Jun 12 19:14 UTC 1995 |
Yes, blob does defintely have an account. I found this out
when I got write bombed 3 times the other day when I wouldn't
let him into my closed channel.
Some people don't understand what a private conversation is.
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avi
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response 60 of 81:
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Jun 12 21:13 UTC 1995 |
Not to seem like, whatever, but...
the legal age for a juvie crime is 5 now in most states.
It usedta be six, but some 5 year old walked into a store
one day and started stealing stuff and when the clerk
asked him to stop he said "go ahead and call the cops,
I can steal all I want until I'm 6".
What is the reasoning behind that story? Age is only a small
factor. The third warning on what will happen if actions persist
should give a person an idea to stop, if it does, the first action
against him will. If that doesn't, then they don't understand
that it is serious. If asecond action is needed, then something is wrong,
and there is need for a talk.
Just an opinion.
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selena
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response 61 of 81:
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Jun 13 00:29 UTC 1995 |
This ten-year-old is a rather odious pern, himself! Don't make
him out to be some frigging angel!
A few hours of private talk is NOTHING compared to what it takes
to get staff to act on virtually ANYTHIG, like a UPS, that is
mostly paid for?
By comparison, that's hasty!!
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tsty
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response 62 of 81:
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Jun 13 03:47 UTC 1995 |
re #56 "What would your "balanced" throwing of weight have done?"
Perhaps something different, perhaps something similar - as I have
read recently, there are numerous details emerging which tend to
suggest (as usual) that staff exerted more effort than they were
willing to include in earlier responses (and it's also somewhat
understandable, it's not a knock).
This question also gets into some history that need not be repeated
(or provide for drift) but +several times+ *I* have offered to
volunteer to handle stuff like this. I did make a nearly fatal
mistake of allowing my feelings to be affected by a staff member, but
I recovered. Don't fret over it. It won't happen again. If it
doesn't kill me it makes me stronger.
No one here (as i read it) has the experience of the range of
"situations" that I have. Several people have the intensity of
focus that i have butnot the range. Nominal sitautions, for the most
part, are a credit to Grex and that is worth much more than a
simple "mention." The extremes however, imo, are beyond the scope
of Grex, as presently constituted. I handle extremes. I even get
paid for it elsewhere (don't ask). Reinclusion to staff would be
a good restart, imo.
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curby
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response 63 of 81:
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Jun 13 06:53 UTC 1995 |
Of course, all that is in your humble opinion, right TS? :)
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glenda
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response 64 of 81:
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Jun 13 13:54 UTC 1995 |
I do know that blob is not an innocent angel just because he is only 10.
I have an 11 year old son and know the nature of the beast. I would still
find it reprehensible for an older, more knowledgable person to take advantage
of him in such a way. If Damon had taken someone else's work and claimed it
as his I would want that person to try to reason with him and if that didn't
work talk to me about it. I would have taken care of the issue, explained
to Damon how it was unethical, immoral and illegal and probably taken away
is bbs access for awhile after making him appologize to the original author.
Two wrongs do not make a right, they usually lead to a third wrong, then a
fourth, a fifth and so on. If a child is behaving in an unreasonable manner
pointing it out to him and then to his parents is usually the best step 1 and
2. If the parents are not responsive than it is time to take other actions,
but not by doing something that is just a odieous or worse that the original
action taken by the child.
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popcorn
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response 65 of 81:
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Jun 13 15:17 UTC 1995 |
Re 59: Peacefrg: If someone is "write bombing" you, you can type "mesg n"
to prevent people from writing you. You can also use "mesg N" to disconnect
any current write sesions that are writing to you (though, in my experience,
this doesn't always work right, and it takes a while to run).
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popcorn
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response 66 of 81:
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Jun 13 15:17 UTC 1995 |
(Sometimes the best solution is to log out, log in again, and type "mesg n"
right away).
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dam
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response 67 of 81:
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Jun 13 16:18 UTC 1995 |
I have found mesg N to work pretty much right away if you hit return for
a SECOND time instead of just once. dunno why, but it gets me my prompt
back right away.
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popcorn
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response 68 of 81:
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Jun 13 21:49 UTC 1995 |
Interesting... I'd been doing "mesg N &" to background it, but it never
seemed to finish.
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popcorn
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response 69 of 81:
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Jun 13 21:50 UTC 1995 |
Wowza -- I just tried it, and you're right. This is one to mention
to Jan, for sure!
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nephi
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response 70 of 81:
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Jun 14 08:06 UTC 1995 |
Thank you, Dave!
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avi
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response 71 of 81:
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Jun 14 20:23 UTC 1995 |
re: 64
Glenda, I did tell him to change his name outta the credit part of the
script in party one time, he ignored me.
I know I was wrong, So I don't really want to argue HOW wrong, because I'm
willing to take the concept thatthat incident was the worst possible thing.
I don't know why I respond to these replies, cuz it seems that I try to defend
myself. :)
(plus it seems, after re-reading my replies, that it looks like they are
really rude, when I'm not saying that way in my head...)
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srw
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response 72 of 81:
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Jun 15 05:00 UTC 1995 |
Yes, well unfortunately, as everyone knows, the way BBSes work no one
(not even staff) can really tell what is in someone's head except by
the way it comes out in ascii. It's a limitation we're working on ;-).
BTW I liked the way 71 came out, Avi.
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glenda
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response 73 of 81:
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Jun 15 12:44 UTC 1995 |
#71 is polite and courteous. After he ignored you, you should have gone
to his parents.
I am glad to see that you know your actions were wrong, and I hope that
you have learned something from all of this. I also hope that blob and
ryan1 have learned something as well. I do welcome your staying on this
system and continuing to help people as long as you can keep yourself under
control. I am sure that you can be mature enough to do so if you just stop
to think before taking some sort of drastic action.
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avi
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response 74 of 81:
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Jun 15 15:12 UTC 1995 |
ok=) <-- short, simple, but to the point. correct?
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