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Grex > Coop7 > #49: An interesting phone conversation | |
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adbarr
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response 50 of 93:
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Jun 15 01:26 UTC 1995 |
Of course. Sorry about the "ajaj" ajax. Much in life is
ludicrous, thank goodness for that. :)
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carson
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response 51 of 93:
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Jun 16 14:11 UTC 1995 |
#49 is misinformed if he's referring to the system that Brian Howard
is currently running from sinai.org. According to something I read from
Jan Wolter, the system is running on the hardware that Arbornet ran on
before the merger with M-Net. Also, Brian (bdh) was part of the staff
for Arbornet, perhaps even the formation, and IMO has as much right to
the name "Arbornet" as the people over in the NEW Center.
Stating that Brian "has copied M-Net in concept" (and which concept would
that be?) is a "chicken vs. egg" argument, and should be noted as such.
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ajax
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response 52 of 93:
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Jun 16 14:44 UTC 1995 |
Concept: publicly accessible unix system with newuser, picospan, party,
a 'general' conference, etc. Okay, maybe Arbornet of Ann Arbor is the
imitator...either way, it seems that one of the Arbornet organizations
might have benefitted by protecting their name, so that other Arbornet
organizations wouldn't use it. And while I don't know bdh's details, I
do know that formerly working for an organization, and owning equipment
formerly owned by an organization, in no way means that you *own* that
organization or its name. Otherwise I could sue Ford Motor Corp for
using that name...after all, I've done work for them, and I own a Ford!
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rcurl
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response 53 of 93:
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Jun 16 15:09 UTC 1995 |
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." Well, it seemed to
fit something going on here. How about, "A rose by any other name
would smell as sweet"? I cannot get worked up about multiple uses
of the same name. Those that can be should see to the commercial
protection of their name. There doesn't seem much more to it than that.
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carson
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response 54 of 93:
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Jun 16 20:09 UTC 1995 |
re #52: Ah-ha! M-Net runs *YAPP*! :)
Seriously, I see your point, and since I am looking at matters
as history rather than as memory, I can't really say anything
more.
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adbarr
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response 55 of 93:
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Jun 17 00:59 UTC 1995 |
Notice: I am applying to change names to Rane Curl - race you to
the courthouse!
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jep
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response 56 of 93:
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Jun 17 03:26 UTC 1995 |
Arbornet, Inc., of Ann Arbor, MI is the original non-profit company
operating under that name.
The user known here as 'bdh' claims to own the first hardware used to
operate the computer system 'Arbornet'. The system operating at Sinai
Hospital, called 'arbornet.sinai.org', is operating on some kind of IBM
RISC computer, according to 'bdh'; some new, really nice piece of
hardware.
It doesn't espcially bother me to have 'bdh' running a system called
'arbornet.sinai.org', but his claim that it's the "real Arbornet" or "the
original Arbornet" is as valid as if he purchased some of the original
equipment used by Grex, started a system called 'grex.sinai.org', and
claimed to be running "the real Grex".
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janc
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response 57 of 93:
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Jun 17 04:43 UTC 1995 |
I should note that bdh's announcement of his system has roused pretty near
zero interest on M-Net. Nobody gives a dang. Presumably if it every got to
be big enough to be a problem, we'd have no trouble doing something about it.
This non-response from M-Net is a fine example of common sense (probably too
good to last).
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jep
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response 58 of 93:
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Jun 17 14:55 UTC 1995 |
If he'd started "m-net.sinai.org" he might have gotten more people
excited. (-:
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scg
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response 59 of 93:
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Jun 17 23:59 UTC 1995 |
Server: merit.edu
Address: 35.1.1.42
*** No address (A) records available for arbornet.sinai.org
Does it still exist?
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gregc
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response 60 of 93:
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Jun 18 09:38 UTC 1995 |
When I logged onto this system, I used the IP address Ajax had posted.
I found that the machines hostname was simply "arbornet" and that it
had no domainname set up. He would also have to get someone to list this site
in a domain server in order for lookups to succeed. I suspect none of this has
been done.
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popcorn
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response 61 of 93:
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Jun 18 13:19 UTC 1995 |
I telnetted over there and created me an account. There was one
conference with maybe 6 items, most of which had zero or one responses.
No other conferences. It was exceedingly quiet.
Now I've gone and forgotten my password, so I'll have to run newuser
again to get back in. <sigh>
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gal
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response 62 of 93:
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Jun 18 16:47 UTC 1995 |
Yeah, I saw popcorn on Arbornet. Does that count as a sighting?
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scg
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response 63 of 93:
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Jun 18 20:08 UTC 1995 |
I think I did telnet to arbornet.sinai.org a few weeks ago and got it to work,
so it not working is a new thing.
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rcurl
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response 64 of 93:
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Jun 19 20:30 UTC 1995 |
OK with me, Arnold. I think my wife will be able to tell the difference....
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nephi
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response 65 of 93:
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Jun 20 22:53 UTC 1995 |
Re #61:
I noticed that, too. Bdh's general conference seems to have had
it's first restart. Maybe, he doesn't believe in big conferences.
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carson
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response 66 of 93:
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Jun 21 05:38 UTC 1995 |
Wait a minute... I thought bdh used to wear a T-shirt that said "Bigger
Lover" on it... or maybe that was just a spoof.
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tsty
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response 67 of 93:
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Jun 21 16:22 UTC 1995 |
Bigger Lover was the appropriate lmaster modification of a chfn
that had raised justifiable hackles on line and in person for
several years, in several places.
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carson
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response 68 of 93:
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Jun 21 20:15 UTC 1995 |
hmm... wonder what that could have been.
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srw
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response 69 of 93:
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Jun 22 04:34 UTC 1995 |
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tsty
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response 70 of 93:
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Jun 22 13:48 UTC 1995 |
so fascinated to see racism raise its ugly head ... guess you aren't
a Southern Baptist anymore either. try another planet.
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davel
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response 71 of 93:
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Jun 22 22:02 UTC 1995 |
Um, TS, whom was that one addressed to?
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tsty
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response 72 of 93:
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Jun 23 03:55 UTC 1995 |
the repeat of the racist chfn.
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srw
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response 73 of 93:
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Jun 23 06:23 UTC 1995 |
Is racism defined by the use of racist words, or rather should we
consider what the words mean in context?
If the former, it's reassuring to know that such racism as Carson has
displayed will be pointed out so that no one will overlook it.
Carson, really! People who don't know you will get the wrong idea.
If the latter, I think I'm with Carson on this one.
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carson
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response 74 of 93:
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Jun 23 15:25 UTC 1995 |
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