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Grex > Coop7 > #48: VOTE for Name of New Grex Newsletter. |  |
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scg
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response 50 of 141:
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May 23 02:07 UTC 1995 |
<sigh>
It doesn't take anymore time to read an item in Coop than it does to read
an item in Agora. If you're really concerned about Agora being too big,
then the solution is for more items to be entered in the conference where
they belong, rather than in Agora. What you are advocating, putting
anything important that belongs in another conference in Agora, , will
only make the Agora bloat worse, and will make people have even less time
to read other conferences. That isn't a solution to things.
</sigh>
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jep
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response 51 of 141:
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May 23 03:23 UTC 1995 |
There are few indeed who have less time than I, but I read coop
anyway, despite not having the same interest in Grex that a lot of people
do. I am a very active user, staff member, and Board member of
Arbornet/M-Net. It's a choice, and it has it's consequences. I usually
can't keep up with agora, for example, but I do keep up with coop pretty
well.
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rcurl
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response 52 of 141:
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May 23 06:13 UTC 1995 |
I'd like to suggest that every new user be automatically enrolled
in *both* agora and coop (and that their .cflist be set up to include
these).
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fox2
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response 53 of 141:
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May 23 08:08 UTC 1995 |
Agora and coop sound antithetical to me.
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robh
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response 54 of 141:
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May 23 10:33 UTC 1995 |
I have no problem keeping up in Coop, since I stopped reading
Agora more than a year ago. >8)
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gregc
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response 55 of 141:
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May 23 10:44 UTC 1995 |
The main point here is that coop is open to anyone. Period. If they want to
read it they can. Putting the item in agora too doesn't accomplish anything.
In response #45 kerouac says:
"Therefore, some, not all but some, of those items should be linked to agora
as a public service to reach the widest possible audience."
Duh. Ok, answer me this: *Which* items should be linked from coop to agora?
Just the important ones? Ok, which ones are important? Who decides what
the definition of "important" is? You? The board? A random member? Flip a
coin? The answer is: No one's definition of important is satisfactory. We
would have to link *all* coop items to agora to satisfy your requirement.
There would be no point in 2 separate conferences at that point. It ain't
gonna happen guy.
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chelsea
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response 56 of 141:
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May 23 12:16 UTC 1995 |
How will any newsletter ever follow this act. ;-)
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chelsea
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response 57 of 141:
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May 23 12:16 UTC 1995 |
Kinda reminds me of the old Broadway Bridge item of long ago.
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remmers
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response 58 of 141:
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May 23 14:53 UTC 1995 |
...on another system far, far away.
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rcurl
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response 59 of 141:
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May 23 15:50 UTC 1995 |
Re #53: that's why users should read both, to broaden their minds ;-)
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tsty
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response 60 of 141:
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May 23 17:11 UTC 1995 |
Since it hasn't been said recently, it ought ot be worth reminding
the newer friends of grex (and newer conference readers) that
the command forget at the respond prompt is a most valuable
consideration for speed-needing readers.
the forget command will also permit you to isolate what you want/need
to follow in any particular conference as well a prevent the
same item from poppping up several times in the various conferences
to/from which it is linked.
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davel
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response 61 of 141:
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May 23 18:04 UTC 1995 |
Should we also remind people that you don't *have* to read all the way through
every item every time? We get a significant number of people who ask
questions indicating that they haven't understood that, if you just say
"read" (or "r") by itself you'll only get stuff you haven't read yet (or
entered yourself).
Typically, I'd say only a handful of items in coop show up with new responses
in any given day. (There are, of course, days when hundreds of lines get
entered.)
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kerouac
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response 62 of 141:
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May 23 22:33 UTC 1995 |
One suggestion that I think should be given serious consideration is
archiving agora more often. Its nice and quaint to have agora archived by
season but with the increased number of users here, it makes more sense to
do it bi-monthly, or six times a year instaed of four. As it is, the message
base is front loaded because some people only read the first few items
rather than taking the time to read everything. With Agora Archived more
often that would take away a big obstacle to increasing policy discussion
here. Only those items which might have general interest to all users
would be linked here, no board meetings and maybe not even budgets, but
certainly discussions about security and 'net access and such.
And by archiving agora more often, it might encourage peopel to try the
other confs rather than being discouraged by this bloated one.
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carson
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response 63 of 141:
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May 23 23:07 UTC 1995 |
I personally think that newusers should default to observing a conference,
and should have to read something like the M-Net manual before being
allowed to respond in conferences, but that's just the way I am, and I
*know* that my views do not reflect those of Grex in general, or coop, even.
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kerouac
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response 64 of 141:
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May 23 23:38 UTC 1995 |
Why couldnt newusers be given a menu screen listing all the confs in
numerical sequence and they could pick right then and there which ones they
could join. And it could be mentioned on this screen that they are beng
put in agora and coop automatically.
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popcorn
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response 65 of 141:
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May 24 22:22 UTC 1995 |
This response has been erased.
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anne
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response 66 of 141:
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May 24 23:00 UTC 1995 |
This response has been erased.
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rcurl
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response 67 of 141:
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May 25 06:39 UTC 1995 |
The VOTE has to have a deadline. I suggest that we make it one week after
the last new voter votes. As of right now, 35 have voted, and the most
recent was 5/23, so 2 days will soon have passed with no new votes. Voting
would then end at the end of Tuesday, 5/30 - unless a new voter votes.
Etc.
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scg
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response 68 of 141:
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May 26 01:19 UTC 1995 |
Now that this has been moved to Coop, would there be any objection if I
changed the motd to say that it's in Coop?
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davel
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response 69 of 141:
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May 26 01:26 UTC 1995 |
Especially since it's turned into a policy discussion ...
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carson
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response 70 of 141:
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May 26 02:59 UTC 1995 |
It should have been in coop in the first place.
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rcurl
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response 71 of 141:
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May 26 04:45 UTC 1995 |
It started in coop. As has been explained, when it was decided to open the
vote to all, this was announced in agora - though as a new item. That item
has grown to what it is here. I entered the motd item and could amend it
to refer to the coop number - but is this wise? On the one hand, I support
any effort to get users to follow coop, but on the other, we want users to
vote *whether or not they read coop*. This item (in agora or coop) cites
the *real* "name the grex newsletter" item (in coop), but it would make
sense to cite that one too, in the motd. Let me see what I can do in 10
words or less...... =|}8^7
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rcurl
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response 72 of 141:
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May 26 06:07 UTC 1995 |
Well, I didn't fit it into 10 words - let me know if it could be expressed
more concisely, or clearly.
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freida
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response 73 of 141:
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May 26 07:41 UTC 1995 |
Speaking as a relatively "new" user of Grex, I would like to say that
I would never have logged onto coop...I was away from agora for 2 days
and I have been trying to wade through the new response items for about 2
h(sorry...hours) now. Even though there are many items in which I am not
interested, and in fact, pass through or over, it still takes a long time to
read through all the items in which I am interested. Since I only have 60
minutes at any one login, this does not leave me with much time to go to other
confs. When I am pulling an allnighter, I can usually get through this one
and 1 or 2 others...so I choose ones which are fun for me. I will probably
never get to all of them! Besides, this is the one where it is easiest to
make friends!
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rcurl
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response 74 of 141:
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May 26 16:40 UTC 1995 |
I hope you use the command forget freely (at the Respond or Pass)
prompt, to stop from being shown those Items in which you are not
interested. Then you don't even have to consider them further, and save
that time. (There is a way to see which Items you have forgotten,
but I've never had a need to know it ;->)
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