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Grex > Coop7 > #26: User Verification -- Is It Feasible? | |
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nephi
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response 50 of 147:
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Apr 14 06:51 UTC 1995 |
If the ID that the user provides is not on the list, I though that
the ID verifier automatically presented it to the board.
Under this proposed system, would the person not providing the ID
on the list actively have to appeal to the board or will it be
automatic?
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srw
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response 51 of 147:
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Apr 14 07:12 UTC 1995 |
I was under the impression that the verifier would bring the question to
the board. but now I realize I don't know where I got that idea from.
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tsty
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response 52 of 147:
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Apr 14 09:16 UTC 1995 |
From a previous item, reprinted with permission:
>I support selena and her concept and her access on her terms until
>or unless something goes wrong that can be directly traced to her
>login id specifically. The default value, imo, ought to be that way.
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>And it is a partial question of "values" as well as "value."
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>selena could be anywhere from the planet's worst cybercreep to the model
>human (although there are some Grexers who can validly contest
>for the latter, none for the former ... well, mostly none <g>).
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>I was raised, as an "American," to presume the latter initially
>and react to the former (individually, not enmasse) in a hostile
>manner, with extreme prejudice if necessary.
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>And yes, I have been sorely disappointed on occassion. Let, however,
>the occassion present itself before extreme prejudice is necessary.
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lilmo
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response 53 of 147:
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Apr 14 19:23 UTC 1995 |
TS, who said that, it isn't attributed. (I'm guessing you, but not assuming)
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rcurl
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response 54 of 147:
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Apr 15 07:44 UTC 1995 |
A response from a previous item, also reprinted with permission:
>Let's keep in mind that this is a volunteer operation. Letting "anything
>goes" until a problem arises, and then deal with it, makes life a lot
>more difficult for volunteers. The "default value" can be a real
>imposition on others. Some middle ground is needed, which I think this
>nominal and minimal ID for very limited things is.
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selena
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response 55 of 147:
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Apr 15 08:13 UTC 1995 |
Well, Rane, with more donations coming in with tsty's idea,
THAT should help balance any volunteer problem.
Also, what if *gasp* there is NO problem? Then all this time
we're spending talking about it is the REAl waste of volunteer time,
and the few problems that come up will, no doubt, be handled as needed,
allowing the volunteers to do other things.
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tsty
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response 56 of 147:
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Apr 15 10:24 UTC 1995 |
A "volunteer operation" is a description rather than an excuse.
But do not consider the previous to be a "flame," it is not.
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popcorn
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response 57 of 147:
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Apr 15 12:36 UTC 1995 |
As I see it, the problem with letting unidentified people use the net
is that there's no way for Grex to responsibly keep problem people
off the net. That is, if I go out there to do nasty things on the net
and Grex needs to revoke my net access, what's to stop me from taking
out a new account in a *different name* and doing it all over again?
The ID requirement prevents this. Letting unidentified people use the
net leaves a gaping hole in Grex's ability to be a good net citizen.
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davel
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response 58 of 147:
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Apr 15 14:22 UTC 1995 |
What Valerie just said.
(Rane, do you *always* have to ask yourself for permission to quote yourself?)
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steve
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response 59 of 147:
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Apr 15 15:08 UTC 1995 |
Valerie is exactly right.
Grex is getting hit often enough as it is, by people with slimey
intent, trying to use us for neferious purposes.
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lilmo
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response 60 of 147:
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Apr 15 20:23 UTC 1995 |
Re #55 and #59: In other words, Selena, there arlready ARE problems that
the volunteers have to deal with. There is no "what if there are no
problems"
(droppped->) there ARE problems.
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mdw
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response 61 of 147:
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Apr 16 08:19 UTC 1995 |
No question but that there are problems...
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ajax
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response 62 of 147:
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Apr 16 08:28 UTC 1995 |
Re #58, if Rane didn't grant permission to quote himself, he could
sue himself for copyright infringement! Allegedly true story: a prisoner
recently sued himself for violating his civil rights by landing himself
in prison, but the judge threw it out.
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popcorn
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response 63 of 147:
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Apr 16 11:58 UTC 1995 |
(Prisoners have *WAY* too much free time on their hands!)
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srw
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response 64 of 147:
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Apr 16 16:30 UTC 1995 |
I wonder how much free legal advice he got before the suit was rejected.
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adbarr
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response 65 of 147:
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Apr 16 18:19 UTC 1995 |
Re #62, It is highly probable that Rane, upon proper and careful
reflection, and a detailed analysis of the merits, would elect
not to litigate because of the expense and the difficultiy of
predictiing the winner. Or, he might not. $100 please.
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aaron
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response 66 of 147:
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Apr 16 18:59 UTC 1995 |
re #64: He probably paid for his legal "advice" with cigarettes, or some
other prison commodity.
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srw
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response 67 of 147:
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Apr 19 15:28 UTC 1995 |
Cigarettes might have a high value in a prison environment, but I
can't imagine the lawyer wanting to accept them as a fee.
I was referring to the State's offering of legal advice to prisoners
at taxpayer expense.
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lilmo
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response 68 of 147:
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Apr 19 19:08 UTC 1995 |
I suspect that aaron was referring to the prisoner paying other prisoners
for legal advice.
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tsty
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response 69 of 147:
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Apr 19 19:29 UTC 1995 |
All these problems that have appeared, with our current verification
policy, how many have been from people who contribute to any
conferences?
How many have been from people who have been logged into Grex
for, oh, say, three months or more?
How many have been direct dialins, telnet?
How many have been from 3+ netlinks first?
How many have been from someone who knows another someone already here?
How many were driveby snipers (in the cybersense of the definition)?
After all, PGP keys are "verified" 3rd-, 4th-, 5th-party removed and
I would consider a PGP key to be of *VASTLY* more importance and
criticality than, say, oh, internet access from Grex, wouldn't you?
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rcurl
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response 70 of 147:
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Apr 19 20:00 UTC 1995 |
What problems have appeared from our current verification policy,
besides one complaint?
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steve
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response 71 of 147:
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Apr 19 20:08 UTC 1995 |
I'm not sure what you're asking, TS. I don't understand the
thing you are asking, like "3+ netlinks"?
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srw
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response 72 of 147:
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Apr 20 02:24 UTC 1995 |
As far as I know, one person has complained. That person does
contribute to the conferences, and comes in over the internet
from a merit site (I believe). Does this answer your question TS?
I may have misunderstood you as well.
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tsty
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response 73 of 147:
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Apr 21 10:24 UTC 1995 |
3+ net links was answered by quoting steve in the next item, i think.
One person has complained "openly" and (although it seems to
matter little) I also have "complained."
Unless corrected (miranda notwithstanding) y understanding is that
there has been NO trouble from logins who wanted anonymous
membership. There has been +only+ trouble from logins who
were anonymous and did NOT want membership. Is there a correction
necesary here?
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popcorn
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response 74 of 147:
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Apr 21 12:40 UTC 1995 |
If I understand it right, Selena wants an anonymous membership.
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