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Grex > Coop13 > #145: Member Resolution: Undead the Kilt | |
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aruba
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response 50 of 109:
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Mar 29 03:47 UTC 2004 |
Re #45: The ownership of a response has no bearing on whether Grex is
obliged to keep publishing it.
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parcel
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response 51 of 109:
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Mar 29 04:18 UTC 2004 |
don't hurt yourself, aruba.
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glenda
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response 52 of 109:
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Mar 29 06:13 UTC 2004 |
I see Grex sort of like a library or a bookstore. Books go out of print or
are removed from the shelves to make room for newer books all the time.
Sometimes a book sits there and gathers dust for a while before it gets
noticed as not moving. Once it is noticed that it isn't moving, isn't being
bought or checked out or even taken from the shelf and glanced at; it is
taken off the shelf and either boxed up to be put in storage, given away,
remaindered, or just thrown out.
I haven't heard any massive outcry from authors of those books because they
were permenantly removed from the shelf. Libraries and bookstore don't give
guarantees that books will remain on the shelf forever, neither does Grex.
Nowhere on Grex has it ever been said that items will stay around and never
removed.
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parcel
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response 53 of 109:
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Mar 29 07:27 UTC 2004 |
It's absurd to use that as an excuse for unecessary censorship, though.
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cyklone
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response 54 of 109:
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Mar 29 13:05 UTC 2004 |
That's for damn sure. Once again long-time grexers struggle to create
pointless analogies to justify personal favors for favored persons and to
justify denying users the right to control what happens to their posts.
I'd love to see where in Grex's policies or terms of use it says Grex is
like a library or bookstore where managements controls the "stock" of
words.
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jp2
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response 55 of 109:
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Mar 29 13:14 UTC 2004 |
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edina
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response 56 of 109:
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Mar 29 16:16 UTC 2004 |
Hmmmm. About the library analogy . . .well, the LOC keeps a copy of every
book published in the US. Soooo, in the spirit of that theory, there will
always be a place I can get a copy of the book. I have no place to get a copy
of what was written in the items (some of which I contributed to heavily).
Mark, I know you're sick of it. I apologize that I'm such a johnny-come
lately. But I really feel strongly about this. The divorce items being
deleted really hit me where it hurts - and I would hope it hurt you as well,
as I always got a lot out of your postings.
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slynne
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response 57 of 109:
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Mar 29 19:35 UTC 2004 |
I think that there is some point to the library analogy. Items are
often removed from Grex due to inactivity. Sometimes they are archived
but it has always been my understanding that they are not. So we should
all understand that what we say here isnt necessarily going to stay
here forever.
However, the major difference is that typically before items are
removed, there is notice given before hand. This notice is given so
that anyone who wants to can make their own archive copies before the
item is deleted. That didnt happen in this case.
What happened is that the members decided to make an exception to the
usual way of doing things. Now, we can argue about if that was a good
decision or a bad decision all day but it doesnt really matter because
it is done now. Those items will not be restored.
But, Brooke, maybe someone made some personal copies of those items.
You might want to ask around. It is is possible that someone did who
would be willing to give you a copy. I heard a rumor that there were
copies floating around. You could also see if there is anyone on staff
willing to get your words from the deleted items for you although since
that would involve a lot of work, I wouldnt necessarily expect someone
to be willing to do it. But you never know.
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parcel
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response 58 of 109:
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Mar 29 20:27 UTC 2004 |
The library analogy has no applicability to this at all. You're letting
Glenda pull a Jesuit rhetorical on you: she's defining the terms of the
debate. This is bad, because she's doing it wrong.
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jp2
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response 59 of 109:
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Mar 29 20:31 UTC 2004 |
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anderyn
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response 60 of 109:
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Mar 29 20:51 UTC 2004 |
Actually, Brooke, the Library of Congress does not always have a copy of every
book printed in the United States. At least, I have found that their records
have gaps (I have to check the web interface they have at times, and sometimes
they have no record of holding a particular book when I've then gone on to
find evidence that it does indeed exist). Anyway, that's beside the point.
I can see where you would have very strong feelings about your words being
lost and I would definitely take note of Slynne's advice and ask if anyone
has a private copy or if there would be any way of getting a copy of what you
wrote from the archived files. I feel kind of frustrated here (and I think
a lot of people do) because I can see where you and some other people had very
personal and timely posts made, and I can see that you would want to have a
copy of them, but, on the other hand, as someone who has said things she would
REALLY prefer weren't online anymore, I can see Jep and Valerie's feelings
too, and sympathize with their wishes as well. If you had asked me before
the divorce and baby diaries were deleted, I would have probably voted not
to delete them. But since they were deleted, I saw no purpose in putting them
back when some people seem to have made a habit of picking up hurtful things
and poking at others with them just to see if you bleed the thousandth time
as much as you did the first. (And while you can say that everyone ought to
be tough and ready to take the abuse, the truth is that some people can't,
and I'm more on that side than on the side of "right", if it comes to push
vs. shove. Feelings and consideration over abstract principles.) I suspect
that this will be ridiculed as "favors for favored persons" but in reality,
I hurt for you, too.
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parcel
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response 61 of 109:
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Mar 29 20:55 UTC 2004 |
Use paragraphs. It makes it easier to skim.
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aruba
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response 62 of 109:
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Mar 29 21:17 UTC 2004 |
Brooke - the question before us wasn't whether the items should be deleted
- in fact there seemed to be a broad consensus that people would have
preferred they weren't. The issue was whether to restore them. To
understand why people voted the way they did, you need to consider the
difference.
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parcel
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response 63 of 109:
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Mar 29 21:28 UTC 2004 |
Nothing she said implied she thought anything other than that, aruba. Stop
using Jesuit rhetorical tricks again.
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twenex
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response 64 of 109:
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Mar 29 21:37 UTC 2004 |
I wonder if there are any groups parcel CAN'T find it in his heart to insult.
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tod
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response 65 of 109:
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Mar 29 22:05 UTC 2004 |
re #60
"I saw no purpose in putting them
back when some people seem to have made a habit of picking up hurtful things
and poking at others with them"
You're on the side of censorship for the simple fact that you disagree with
a small crowd of parodyists? Wonderful. If that is the stance of the Grex
membership, lets just call it what it is and remove the Blue Ribbon.
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parcel
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response 66 of 109:
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Mar 29 22:24 UTC 2004 |
allo, tod
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tod
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response 67 of 109:
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Mar 29 22:46 UTC 2004 |
HI P
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parcel
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response 68 of 109:
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Mar 29 23:05 UTC 2004 |
allo, tod
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jp2
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response 69 of 109:
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Mar 29 23:24 UTC 2004 |
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parcel
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response 70 of 109:
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Mar 29 23:31 UTC 2004 |
allo, jp2
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cyklone
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response 71 of 109:
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Mar 29 23:44 UTC 2004 |
As for the ludicrous suggestion we beg for our responses back from someone
who might have them, I have done just that. While someone suggested in
email it may be possible for them to return my posts, not a single person
has come through yet. So lets stop creating even more red herrings. The
smell of decaying fish is bad enough as it is . . . .
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parcel
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response 72 of 109:
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Mar 29 23:55 UTC 2004 |
allo, cyklone
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bru
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response 73 of 109:
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Mar 30 04:16 UTC 2004 |
perhaps they do not exist, and it is time to forget about it.
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soup
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response 74 of 109:
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Mar 30 04:25 UTC 2004 |
Would you just "forget" about your dick if it started to rot ? I hope not!
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