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edina
response 50 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 15:48 UTC 2006

I'm with Anne on that.  You can have fertilized egg upon fertilized egg and
if all systems aren't go in the uterus, you'd never know that you might
possibly have been pregnant.

Richard, please list some of the durgs that are guaranteed to cause
miscarriage and what they would be prescribed for.
nharmon
response 51 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 15:54 UTC 2006

Does the mother need to be aware of a pregnancy for life to have occured?
edina
response 52 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 15:55 UTC 2006

Getting people to agree on when life begins?  Honey, I'd rather herd cats for
a living.
nharmon
response 53 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 16:03 UTC 2006

:)
klg
response 54 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 17:16 UTC 2006

From at least one on-line medical dictionary --

Abortion: In medicine, the premature exit of the products of conception 
from the uterus.


So things may not be as cut and dried as Anne makes them out.
happyboy
response 55 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 17:20 UTC 2006

i'll bet your uterus is dry, nutcase.
tod
response 56 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 17:42 UTC 2006

Ok..now this item sucks.  Anytime abortion debate has to devolve into simple
5th grade sex-ed then I lose interest.
happyboy
response 57 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 17:51 UTC 2006

heh hehe huhuh...you said "sex-ed"  hehheh 
edina
response 58 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 17:54 UTC 2006

Re 56  Where do you think the crux of everything about abortion lies?  Sex
ed.  Most generally in not enough of it.
tod
response 59 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:00 UTC 2006

re #58
I think it has more to do with low esteemed guys that only see a slut in a
woman that has had sex outside of marriage.  The idea of people not living
inside their June Cleaver social norms scares them.  Why, I have no idea since
they're not getting any of that fine tail no matter what. Know wut I'm sayin
yo?
edina
response 60 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:06 UTC 2006

That's part of it.  But IMO, the U.S. is horridly misinformed (if informed
at all) about sex ed.
nharmon
response 61 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:10 UTC 2006

Re 59: There is another part to it. Namely, the thought of destroying
another's life in order to make your life easier. Now, I'm not saying
you're wrong, but I think people are anti-choice for a lot of different
reasons.
keesan
response 62 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:18 UTC 2006

Has anyone offered to provide a home to an unwanted fertilized egg?
tod
response 63 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:18 UTC 2006

When you can convince me that life begins before the first breath of air
outside the womb then maybe I'll see your point.  Right now, I'm leaning on
the simple biblical references of truth like Christ would have done (cuz he
was a Jew)

"..formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Genesis 2:7

You don't get a birth certificate til mommy squeezes you out of there, m'kay?
You get a death certificate if you die anytime after you've lived.  If you
get scrambled like an egg prior to coming out of there thanks to mommy pushing
and ripping herself open to give you life then so be it cuz you weren't meant
to happen.  Its that simple.  I don't name babies before they come out of
there nor should anyone else, imo.
tod
response 64 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:18 UTC 2006

re #62 slipped
nharmon
response 65 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:42 UTC 2006

Here is a pretty good article on the subject:
                       http://www.devbio.com/article.php?id=162

After reading this, I like both the embryological view and neurological
view on when life begins.

Embryological View:
"[T]he embryological view states that human life originates not at
fertilization but rather at gastrulation. Human embryos are capable of
splitting into identical twins as late as 12 days after fertilization
resulting in the development of separate individuals with unique
personalities[...] Therefore, properties governing individuality are not
set until after gastrulation."

Neurological View:
"Contemporary American (and Japanese) society defines death as the loss
of the pattern produced by a cerebral electroencephalogram (EEG). If
life and death are based upon the same standard of measurement, then the
beginning of human life should be recognized as the time when a fetus
acquires a recognizable EEG pattern. This acquisition occurs
approximately 24- 27 weeks after the conception of the fetus and is the
basis for the neurological view of the beginning of human life."
happyboy
response 66 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:46 UTC 2006

yawn.  how's your uterus these days, nate?
nharmon
response 67 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:00 UTC 2006

Slightly left, happyboy, get that sand out of your vagina yet?
albaugh
response 68 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:16 UTC 2006

"emergency contraception" - uh-huh
tod
response 69 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:34 UTC 2006

Human Life begins when you hear the baby cry and you cut the cord.
Everything prior to that is wishful thinking.
bru
response 70 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:37 UTC 2006

That is YOUR interpretation todd, and it is wrong.
nharmon
response 71 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:38 UTC 2006

"Wishful thinking" backed up by scientific evidence?
richard
response 72 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 21:10 UTC 2006

re #50 there are pills that make a miscarriage highly likely, but do not
"guarantee" it.  They did an ER episode a couple weeks ago where a catholic
doctor has a catholic patient who has been raped and is pregnant, and abortion
isnt acceptable.  He ends up prescribing the drug that temporarily widens the
vagins and makes a miscarriage more likely.
tod
response 73 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 21:34 UTC 2006

re #70
The only thing wrong is that men feel any entitlement to decisions about
another person's body: Namely women
edina
response 74 of 526: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 22:03 UTC 2006

Re 72  Oh for God's sake....you're quoting "ER"???  Way to make a plausible
argument.
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