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anderyn
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response 50 of 128:
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Jun 1 14:52 UTC 2002 |
I would have *loveD* to skip grades, but I went to far too many schools to
be offered the opportunity.
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fitz
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response 51 of 128:
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Jun 1 15:11 UTC 2002 |
Re #42: So, it is rape in the 2nd degree, eh? I never suspected a further
bread down by age.
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richard
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response 52 of 128:
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Jun 1 18:51 UTC 2002 |
#50, no it would be rape in the second degree if criminal charges were filed,
but NO criminal charges have been filed. Which tells you the Benefields
lawyer probably convinced them that its too hard to win such a case in
criminal court, with the higher "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. The
standard for proving guilt in a civil case is lower, which is why OJ Simpson
won his criminal court case but lost the civil suit in the same matter.
So doesnt look like anybody's going to jail or anything in this case, and
the civil cases against the individual players may be hard to make, as it
would be her word against the players word. The case against the
University itself is stronger though. This is a public university, so
its likely that if they lose a big judgement, the taxpayers in Alabama
will end up being the ones punished, not the players
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oval
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response 53 of 128:
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Jun 2 01:46 UTC 2002 |
there's no same sex rape?
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richard
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response 54 of 128:
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Jun 2 02:14 UTC 2002 |
there's no same sex rape in Alabama, which apparently has a huge loophole
in its rape laws. Its what you get in a conservative southern state where
rights/protections for homosexuals are few and far in between.
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russ
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response 55 of 128:
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Jun 2 03:00 UTC 2002 |
Re #47: It's easy to believe that the problem is all due to the
big, bad athletes because of all the documented instances of abuse
by athletes out there, and the number of times that the coaches and
other authority figures have tried to defend abuses instead of
controlling problem behavior. (Hmmm, sounds like a certain religious
institution that's been in the news lately...)
Re #48: If the coaches were risking their jobs and their entire
programs by having such problem people on the team (and especially
by giving them second chances), you wouldn't see these cover-ups.
If the term "student athlete" isn't redeemed from its current status as
an oxymoron, it's possible that the problem will be "fixed" by getting
rid of all intercollegiate athletics. I think this would be a good thing;
with the kind of budding criminals who are currently being recruited by
both colleges and professional teams, keeping them away from the real
students is probably the only way to keep campuses safe from them.
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ea
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response 56 of 128:
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Jun 2 03:30 UTC 2002 |
re #55: It seems that the majority of the "budding criminals" seem to be
coming from either Football or Basketball, in the majority of cases.
There are a few exceptions, but mostly it's just these 2 sports. I
haven't seen nearly as many (if any) news articles about how a college
hockey player is in trouble with the law. Alternatively, I've seen at
least a dozen in the past 3 years about UMich basketball or football
players.
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aruba
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response 57 of 128:
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Jun 2 04:19 UTC 2002 |
Colleges essentially act as a farm system for the NBA and NFL, whereas other
professional leagues have their own farm systems. That's why college
football and basketball are such a big deal, and why they attract a lot of
people who wouldn't otherwise be going to college.
Russ is in a fantasy world if he thinks college sports are going away
anytime soon. But it does seem to me that the NCAA could make a rule that
anyone convicted of a crime is no longer eligible to play college sports.
It might work, but it might just make it even more critical for coaches to
cover things up. Dunno. But there's so much money at stake, it will
probably never happen.
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michaela
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response 58 of 128:
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Jun 2 05:58 UTC 2002 |
My problem with the athletes was that they weren't expected to carry the same
GPA as other students. Some of us were in just as many activities that
required just as much time, but we were still expected to carry the standard
GPA.
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brighn
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response 59 of 128:
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Jun 2 16:15 UTC 2002 |
#54> Ageofconsent.com feels that same-sex rape is covered by the sodomy laws;
I"m inclined to agree:
Section 13A-6-60
(2) DEVIATE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. Any act of sexual gratification between
persons not married to each other involving the sex organs of one person and
the mouth or anus of another.
Section 13A-6-64
(a) A person commits the crime of sodomy in the second degree if:
(1) He, being 16 years old or older, engages in deviate sexual intercourse
with another person less than 16 and more than 12 years old.
(2) He engages in deviate sexual intercourse with a person who is incapable
of consent by reason of being mentally defective.
(http://alisdb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ACASLogin.asp)
(13A-6-63 is a mirror of 13A-6-61; 61 and 63 are both Class A felonies, 62
and 64 are both Class B felonies.)
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jep
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response 60 of 128:
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Jun 2 16:28 UTC 2002 |
re #56: Football programs are more prominent. Football players who get
into trouble are on the front page of the sports pages, if not on the
front page of the newspaper. There are several times more football
players on a team than for any other sport (though I believe women's
crew teams often have more people try out).
Basketball is pretty prominent, too, at schools like Michigan and
Michigan State. If someone gets in trouble, it's front page news.
When as many people get into as much trouble as the former players at
Michigan did, it's an ongoing front page story.
Hockey is getting more attention, but there was still much more
coverage in the Ann Arbor News for the losing basketball team than for
the hockey team that went to the national semi-finals. Basketball is
more important to people around Ann Arbor. If hockey gets to that
level, you'll start hearing more stories about hockey players being
busted.
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flem
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response 61 of 128:
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Jun 3 16:55 UTC 2002 |
Wait, so it's illegal for someone who is "mentally defective" to have sex,
ever? Or only with someone over 16?
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brighn
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response 62 of 128:
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Jun 3 18:01 UTC 2002 |
Ever. Don't you ever watch Law and Order or LA Law reruns? ;}
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flem
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response 63 of 128:
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Jun 3 18:03 UTC 2002 |
Jeez. Talk about your subtle eugenics programs. :)
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keesan
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response 64 of 128:
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Jun 5 03:36 UTC 2002 |
I spent one summer at a small college town in Vermont learning Russian, and
there was one student from a local junior college getting prepared for
college. She was slightly retarded and very honest and trusting. I went back
that winter to visit a friend in that town and talked to this student, and
she was extremely upset that some male student had gotten her drunk and taken
advantage of her. It did not happen again. The first time you can blame the
person who got her drunk. If it had happened again I would have blamed her
- even someone not very bright can figure out what is going on. I don't know
what happened to the prodigy or what she told her parents but they may differ
in the details. My friend confessed to me as I was the first person to talk
to her about it afterwards, and was planning to tell her mother next.
Should parents warn their daughters about things like this before they send
them to college?
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bdh3
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response 65 of 128:
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Jun 5 08:10 UTC 2002 |
Obviously it is the parent's fault.
Call me old fashioned or call me what you will but when it
comes to my daughter...
Culturally my wife comes from a tradition of a 'duen~a' - hispanic
mores. I cannot imagine a situation where I would allow my
daughter to be in a mileu beyond her emotional maturity much
less not accompanied by her nanny no matter how much ego gratification
I might attain (all glory is fleeting was the traditional chant
of the roman slaves into the ears during the victory parade) nor
can I even understand such.
How can a parent allow such a situation and conversely how can
a parent sue for such of what so obviously was an error in
judgement on their part?
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jaklumen
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response 66 of 128:
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Jun 5 11:51 UTC 2002 |
'duen~a' (tilde n) = literally, mistress (as in master). The
derivative meaning is probably similiar to genteel (gentleman, i.e.
proprety owning) behavior.
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slynne
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response 67 of 128:
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Jun 5 21:14 UTC 2002 |
Wow, I totally agree with bdh.
I dont know what that means.
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void
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response 68 of 128:
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Jun 5 21:21 UTC 2002 |
<puts on her armageddon helmet>
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oval
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response 69 of 128:
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Jun 5 21:35 UTC 2002 |
so that excuses the football players, then?
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orinoco
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response 70 of 128:
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Jun 5 21:58 UTC 2002 |
Uh, not necessarily. Why does there need to be a single guilty party?
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oval
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response 71 of 128:
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Jun 5 22:08 UTC 2002 |
well there's making stupid decisions, and then there's behaving like a
criminal.
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other
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response 72 of 128:
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Jun 6 05:44 UTC 2002 |
The parents made stupid choices, the girl made bad choices and the
footballers made criminal choices.
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jaklumen
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response 73 of 128:
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Jun 6 11:48 UTC 2002 |
Wow. That about sums it up nicely.
Thank you, sir.
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eskarina
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response 74 of 128:
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Jun 6 20:49 UTC 2002 |
Okay, so if this isn't rape, or at least child abuse, then the vast majority
of the RC abuse cases aren't abuse either, since most of them occured between
priests and teenage boys.
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