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keesan
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response 50 of 105:
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May 14 01:10 UTC 2002 |
So why have a change program at all?
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jp2
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response 51 of 105:
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May 14 02:06 UTC 2002 |
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jmsaul
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response 52 of 105:
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May 14 02:37 UTC 2002 |
Re #48: Being fluent with procmail is a bit more than just "the basics of
linux". (Not to mention the fact that Grex doesn't *run* Linux. ;-)
Re #51: I didn't say anything because I assumed everyone got the joke
already.
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gull
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response 53 of 105:
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May 14 02:48 UTC 2002 |
Re #46: The one I know is Hotmail. All mail that really originates from
Hotmail has an X-Originating-IP line in the header. Any mail that
purports to be from a hotmail address and doesn't have that line is forged.
It looks something like this:
X-Originating-IP: 192.168.1.8
The IP address is where Hotmail thinks the mail came from (which doesn't
have to be the machine of the person who sent it, if they went through a web
proxy.)
Re #48: Procmail is more than the basics. Frankly, even some experienced
UNIX users would rather delete all their spam by hand than try to figure out
procmail's bizarre syntax. ;)
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mdw
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response 54 of 105:
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May 14 03:36 UTC 2002 |
!staff lists out who is on staff. staff@cyberspace.org is the best way
to reach staff as a group. If you have general questions and aren't
asking staff to do something specific, you should instead mail
help@cyberspace.org . If you know conferencing and think the answer
might be of interest to others, the "info" conference on grex is an even
better way to ask questions and get answers. If you are asking
regarding a policy issue you want changed, then the coop conference is
where you should instead ask. If you have a private or sensitive policy
issue, you might instead ask baff@cyberspace.org , although if you are
asking might be controversial, this may not gain you much beyond more
privacy. "!board" will list out the current members of the board. If
it is a malicious people problem, abuse@cyberspace.org is the place to
mail; if it's a problem with mail, postmaster@cyberspace.org; if it's
unwanted commercial e-mail, uce@cyberspace.org . For problems with
mail, it's best to send a complete and uncensored copy of the mail in
question, including all headers and body. Attachments are fine for
this.
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jp2
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response 55 of 105:
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May 14 03:38 UTC 2002 |
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other
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response 56 of 105:
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May 14 14:04 UTC 2002 |
I had though also of including a spamfilter option in the change program,
but I was thinking of referencing a .nospam or .filters file in the
user's home directory for strings to filter. Each line in the file could
be a regular expression or a string to filter, beginning with the header
from which to filter it, e.g.:
From: s*yhard@
From: @jarjar.
Subject: [Vv]iagra
Body: [sS].1618
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other
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response 57 of 105:
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May 14 14:05 UTC 2002 |
(Of course I wouldn't have any idea how to go about coding such an
addition to Change...)
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oval
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response 58 of 105:
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May 16 11:05 UTC 2002 |
i just started using this spam filter (procmail) that uses this pretty cool
"no_blind" script. http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering.html
i'm using it on an account that seems to be getting 5-10 spams a day. it
basically filters any mail with no explicit local destination. i'm keeping
the filtered emails, so we'll see how it goes...
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other
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response 59 of 105:
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May 16 14:59 UTC 2002 |
if it has no explicit local destination, then to whom is it addressed?
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gull
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response 60 of 105:
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May 16 18:00 UTC 2002 |
I get a lot of spam that doesn't give my address on the To: line. Often the
To: line has something like 'undisclosed recipients'. I think this is what
oval's talking about. I'm not entirely sure how this mail gets
delivered...I assume all the addresses are put in as blind carbon copies, or
something.
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keesan
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response 61 of 105:
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May 16 19:23 UTC 2002 |
I got an email to undisclosed.recipients, with the subject line in ALL CAPS
saying it contained VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION and was going to delete it as
spam but then I noticed it came from the head of a Yahoo discussion group
saying she was moving us somewhere else. I presume she used Bcc: to get the
undisclosed.recipients, which makes this not a good thing to filter.
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gull
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response 62 of 105:
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May 16 19:32 UTC 2002 |
It's a common technique when you need to send to a bunch of people, but
don't necessarily want them to all be able to see the whole list of
addresses.
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keesan
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response 63 of 105:
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May 16 19:37 UTC 2002 |
I think I would want to filter any message that was all caps. Recently I got
one of this sort, but the subject line read 'confidential sir'. I would
probably filter anything with the words confidential or sir, as I am neither.
Possily also 'special offer'.
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bhelliom
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response 64 of 105:
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May 16 20:17 UTC 2002 |
Plus, it's simply polite. It's irritating to see all those names in the
TO: box. It takes up so much damn space. I wish I could get that
through to my aunt.
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oval
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response 65 of 105:
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May 16 23:00 UTC 2002 |
yea, that's what it does. i have recieved no spam today, but gotten mail from
people i know. the only problem i can see is that i won't get mails bcc'd to
me. but i can whitelist people that i know do that, etc.
the no_blind script also sends an auto-message explaining this so that if
someone gets bounced accidentally they are asked to please send the mail
directly to me. and if the auto message is bounced, it goes to /dev/null. this
is a lot of activity - but i figured i'd try it out.
i still feel the best way to deal with spam is to report it. i just get so
damn much of it now ..
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keesan
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response 66 of 105:
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May 17 00:35 UTC 2002 |
I signed up with spamcop and have been reporting it all to them. Is there
some way to set your filter up to forward all mail to the address which
spamcop sends you to submit to? Then they report it to the proper address,
by analyzing the full header. (You would have to turn on full headers before
forwarding.)
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oval
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response 67 of 105:
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May 17 02:28 UTC 2002 |
well what i've *tried* to do is set up all the filtered mail to go in my
"spam" folder, but it doesn't seem to be going there - boo-boo somehwere so
i can check and see whats getting filtered. i'm sure it's possible to foward
the filtered mail to spamcop/assassin ..
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gelinas
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response 68 of 105:
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May 17 04:28 UTC 2002 |
I use bcc quite often. It's a handy way to keep co-workers informed,
especially when I don't want to reveal their address to the customer.
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tpryan
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response 69 of 105:
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May 17 16:27 UTC 2002 |
I appreciate the effort Marcus has made for Grex and making
all our lives easier.
I can see that an opt-out plan like #49 would be more
proactive that asking many to learn procmail, something the
best of geeks seem to have a hard time with.
If one wants pure untouched e-mails, consider another
account elsewhere, please and thank you.
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jmsaul
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response 70 of 105:
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May 17 22:16 UTC 2002 |
I don't think you get to make that decision, any more than Marcus should.
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bdh3
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response 71 of 105:
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May 18 05:33 UTC 2002 |
Uh. really? I think grex sorta functions as an anarchic
syndicated commune and mdw was given the task of handling
email in addition to many others. The primary function of
grex is I think to do 'conferencing'. Offsite email is an
added bonus in part to attract fresh meat and potential members.
You all have delegated judgement to mdw as how best to offer
the email 'extra' without unreasonably impacting (I hate
that usage) the primary function. In my opinion (and as
an 'expert witness') I can state that he has done a far better
job than is standard practice industry wide. I'm sure if
any member of the syndicate or indeed any ordinary leeches
such as myself were to point out to mdw where his actions
negatively impacted (there's another one!) email he would
pridefully and cleverly address it. I also don't think it
is mdw's responsability to provide redress to spam above
and beyond what he has judged prudent. The commune provides
the tools for users to go beyond the 'spam' protection it
offers but is not responsible for teaching them how to use
them. Although it is nice when any member or user shares
insight and method.
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other
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response 72 of 105:
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May 18 07:31 UTC 2002 |
Hear, Hear. Thanks, beady.
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other
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response 73 of 105:
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May 18 07:31 UTC 2002 |
(And thank you Marcus, of course!)
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oval
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response 74 of 105:
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May 18 07:40 UTC 2002 |
i have yet to receive spam at grex.
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