response 50 of 95:

Apr 25 20:30 UTC 2002

"New Wave" is so-named because it represented the second major influx of
British bands into the US pop charts. Roxy Music was on the crest of that
wave. 
 
Pixies broke up the year grunge hit, after a multi-year career, but their
relationship to grunge is obvious, too.

DAF was around years before industrial became a commercially viable genre.
 
Genres don't just pop up one day. They usually simmer for several years,
sometimes for more than a decade, before they "hit."

response 52 of 95:

Apr 25 23:59 UTC 2002

CDNow calls them Art Rock.
 
All of the canonical New Wave bands that come to mind, other than The Cars
and Devo, are British, and most people I know thought that Devo was British,
too.
 
But then, I'm beginning to think your goal in posting is to make me look like
an idiot, not to actually contribute to a conversation. That twit filter
suggestion of Russ' is looking very tasty, but I'll try the old-fashioned
route of just ignoring everything you say.

response 54 of 95:

Apr 26 02:00 UTC 2002

  Geez..  Make one joke at a Star Wars fan's expense and I guess you've
  earned an enemy for life.

response 56 of 95:

Apr 26 14:57 UTC 2002

        What would you consider something like Psychick TV?

response 58 of 95:

Apr 28 11:57 UTC 2002

*shrug* According to the VH1 special "Video Killed The Radio Star," 
New Wave was considered watered-down, pop punk.

Talked to a friend about the punk trend.  He talked about remembering 
the massive job displacement that happened in industrial northern 
England (Manchester, etc.) in the late 70s and early 80s.  His words 
were something to the effect that they really had it bad; that we had 
known nothing like that, truly, in America, and Margaret Thatcher's 
hard conservative stance that offered them no help didn't help 
matters.  So, in a sense, Johnny Rotten was right: America didn't get 
it.  But then-- Johnny Rotten's an asshole, too.

It is understandable, then, that punk was probably more punk in 
England, and became more "New Wave" here in the States.

response 60 of 95:

Apr 28 16:03 UTC 2002

  Worse (relatively speaking) than what happened to Flint?

response 62 of 95:

Apr 28 16:12 UTC 2002

Every English folk singer I've seen at the Ark has figuratively spit when
saying the name of Maggie Thatcher.

response 64 of 95:

Apr 28 21:01 UTC 2002

Every folk singer I have seen anywhere has figurtratively spit when talking
about any conservative anywhere. Which is a pity since I am conservative adn
I love folk music.

response 66 of 95:

Apr 29 01:14 UTC 2002

The people who created the modern folk music scene/business/revival
what-have-you were pretty much all leftists, many of them Communists.
The early work to explore and promote the music of "the common people"
had ideological foundations.

The Weavers had a top-of-the-pop-charts career destroyed when they 
were blacklisted in the McCarthy era.  The UK record label Topic 
was founded as an outreach operation of the British Communist Party.
More recently, Dick Gaughan, Scotland's finest man-with-a-guitar, was
barred from entering the US during the Reagan and Bush I administrations.

Folk music for (American) conservatives is generally the more 
traditional wing of country music.  :)  Internationally, the conservative
side of folk music has generally been the domain of fascists.
German folk music is only just starting to recover from the disrepute
it fell into in the aftermath of the second world war; I've seen a 
truly horrifying article on the uses of folk music in the wars in 
Yugoslavia.

((What was this item about again?))

response 68 of 95:

Apr 29 12:48 UTC 2002

They do seem to have been pretty straight-laced.

response 70 of 95:

Apr 30 00:20 UTC 2002

well, the music is just music.  Traditional insturments and harmonies are what
make most folk music.  Country music and folk music are NOT  branches of the
same tree.  Country music is generally conservative adn folk music is
generally liberal.  Proud to be an American vs. This land is your Land.

But it is when you look at the statements of the artists that the true
sentiment comes out.  Peter, Paul, and Mary,  While very conservative in
dress, have as far as I know always OPPOSED conservatives and SUPPORTED
Liberal policies.  They have never failed as far as I know to put some
political statement in their music to screw big business and support the
average blue collar working man.

response 72 of 95:

Apr 30 18:10 UTC 2002

i was always under the impression that new wave arose from bands like joy
division --> new order. punk was a social movement, which the records
companies turned into an adam and the ants flavor.

i'm also under the impression that the libertarians aren't neccessarily
advocates of drug use, just sick of the violence and waste of resources that
the 'war on drugs' has created. i figure they figure all the junkies will
either kill themselves off, or loose their appeal for the shit. you'd be
suprised how many people don't use drugs in amsterdam. and an occasional
spliff ain't any worse (probably better) than an occasional margarita.

for instance, i doubt russ gets high.

response 74 of 95:

May 1 00:22 UTC 2002

I think there are very few people in the "moderate middle" marjority who
think the current drug laws are wrong.  I think at least some of those
people think of drug laws as working something like traffic laws - it's
ok to disobey them, as long as one doesn't get caught.  It's mostly
people further out either to the right or to the left who support
"liberalizing" drug laws.