Grex Agora Conference Item 21

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It's between you and your browser.

thanks @cross for humoring us, we'll impress you yet! also thanks papa,
jandal, others for the tutorials. i've only ever really used gopher for easy
phlogging, it's really cool to see what's possible. and - what with us having
done so many things to the web etc - i'm sure we'll come up with some
interesting as-yet-undone or at least -uncommon things that are possible with
gopher! so far ~nydel/public_gopher just contains an empty phlog (entitled
"let's all flog thing!" in esperanto - as the log will be - about to figure
out whether i can use my esperanto keyboard or if i will need to use the
still-fine x-system. really excited about this (and about us just doing new
stuff on the system in general)

Check out the latest developments in Grex Gopherspace:

        ~papa/public_gopher/pgphlog/20170611-the_daily_batch.txt

Check it out!

Gophermeisters, update your gopherholes ever day!

my apologies to misfile this, but i cannot seem to figure out how to create
an original topic in agora!

i use commonlisp (sbcl) a lot and want to do some small scripting things in
the language here locally. emacs and sbcl are already installed, would it be
much trouble to install slime (superior lisp mode for emacs) here systemwide?

again apologies to put this in wrong thread (although some of the things i
plan to try with commonlisp here involve gopher!) & i will follow any advice
on agorabbs protocol given. thanking you kindly!

nydel, the bbs command to start a new item is 'enter'.

resp:53 in this day and age, there's not much point to installing emacs
packages globally. Just use package.el and melpa/elpa/whatever the kids
are using these days and install SLIME that way. You'll probably also
want paredit while you're at it...

e for short

For those of you who do not follow the Gopher mailing list (joining which is
currently problematic), a discussion has started on the list's future,
including choosing a new moderator, a new host for the list, or changing the
list to a different medium like Usenet group, IRC, ...

If you are concerned, it might be worth your while to read up on the
discussion in the ML archive, then e-mail one of the participants if you want
to make a comment.

Is Usenet still around?

It is.

resp:57

The Gopher Project mailing list information page is here:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project

... and the list archive is supposed to be here:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general

... but getting to the archived messages seems to be problematic, too. :(

Is anyone not already on the list interested in the referenced discussion on
the list's future? I could cut-and-paste and post a log of the discussion so
far.

Sure, I'd enjoy a read

resp:61
OK --> gopher://grex.org/1/~papa/gopherml

Diverging into three threads, this discussion has generated more ML traffic
in three days than the ML has seen on all subjects in a year.

I have just dumped the raw e-mail files so you will have to page through
headers, quoted text, and sometimes HTML, but the whole story is in there if
you're interested.

If you want to add to the discussion, I suggest you send e-mail directly 
to one of the members already participating and ask them to post to the 
list on your behalf. (Unfortunately, though I am registered on the list 
with two e-mail addresses, I cannot post to the list from either of 
them.)

resp:60
The mailing list archive is available from gmain.org after all, but only in
the form of a Usenet news group: 
nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general

You can access it with your favorite news reader or some web browsers like
lynx or elinks.

resp:62
Regarding posting to the Gopher Project mailing list, I have heard it is 
possible via news.gmane.org using a news reader client.

Also, I can post on your behalf if you send me e-mail. I thought I had 
lost permission to post, but found a way I can still do it.

For those of you interested in my antichronological date codes, I have written
scripts for converting dates to antichron codes and vice versa, dt2ach and
ach2dt. There are still some needed tweaks and maybe some bugs, but for anyone
who wants an early peak, they're available in ~papa/share/bin .

A few users here are active in the gopher space on grex, thanks for keeping
it running cross. 

quick question: in our html folders we're not supposed to upload images, as
far as I understand. What about our gopher folders? I put a few images in mine
of an electronics project. Is it a common-sense-don't-overdo-it approach, or
are images simply not allowed period? Thanks.

It's cross's call, but that's probably a rule made long ago to deal with abuse
of a very different Grex and a very different Internet from what we have now.

Try either and see whether it works. :-)

re #66
Depends if your modem is set for 7 or 8 bit? ;)

there is a bit of a security problem with the current version of gophernicus
we run. please do this to see:

$lynx gopher://grex.org:70/1/server-status

forgive me, i'm not in a multiplex, that /1/ may be a /0/

the page displays the ip address and content viewed from all open sessions.

is it possible to upgrade or otherwise disable this feature?

tildetown and sdf have been able to disable it. would other grexers agree with
or disagree with the suggestion that this is a potential security issue that
should be patched if possible?

thank you kindly grex for serving our gopherspaces. oh the fun we're having!

I think the odds of it being exploited are low due to the obscurity of
gopherspace and grex, but publishing IP addresses is not a good idea. I have
no problem with this feature being disabled.

I'd love to see it disabled, even if it's never seen by anyone.

The gopher server at grex is behaving oddly. Visiting user's links directly
works fine, as does browsing their content, but attempting to visit grex.org
fails. Any idea what might be wrong?

Visiting grex.org's gopher server works, if you wait a very long time.
At least that's what I've been seeing here. I wonder if it's because
the main menu is generated by script that runs very slowly (the last
time I tried it took 14 minutes!). But as you pointed out, there's no
delay when visiting a user's gopher directly.