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gregc
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response 50 of 87:
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Mar 7 15:40 UTC 1995 |
The Kamchatke Penninsula is north of Korea and west of the Aluetian islands
of Alaska.
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orinoco
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response 51 of 87:
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Mar 7 19:35 UTC 1995 |
This is *very* scary
There's no way to enforce it except for *all* e-mail to be read, screened, and
made public.
If this passes, I would have *not* option but to permanently sign off
from grex, as I am NOT GOING TO ALLOW MY E-MAIL TO BE READ BY ANYBODY EXCEPT
THE ONE I'M MAILING IT TO, *PERIOD*.
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scg
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response 52 of 87:
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Mar 7 20:30 UTC 1995 |
FWIW, your e-mail can already be read by anybody whose machine it passes
through on the way to where it's going, although people probably don't
bother to do it much. The only way to make your email completely secure
is to encrypt it.
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nephi
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response 53 of 87:
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Mar 7 21:19 UTC 1995 |
And even *that's* not completely secure. The best encription device we
have is called PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) for a reason.
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tsty
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response 54 of 87:
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Mar 7 23:35 UTC 1995 |
PGP's name is slightly understated for a reason. The sophistication,
money, time, machine power and desire to crack open a PGP text
is just short of phenominal. CIA, spooks, FBI, Iraq/Iran etc types
would have great difficulty. And there are even ways to make
that more difficult. Send short, multiple texts, each encoded at
different times.
But, there is no good to be gained from S314, none. There is an
inherent evil in the concept whether or not you recognize that
somethng can actually be "evil."
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alecs
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response 55 of 87:
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Mar 8 03:09 UTC 1995 |
One more sup[porter here!
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ajax
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response 56 of 87:
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Mar 8 03:56 UTC 1995 |
Interesting article on the topic...56 lines...mentions the E-petitions! :D
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Online 'Decency' Bill Targeted (March 6)
U.S. Sen. Jim Exon's proposed "Communications Decency Act" -- which would
impose $100,000 fines on anyone who uses computers "to annoy, abuse,
threaten, or harass" -- is being viewed with alarm by online free speech
activists.
When the Nebraska Democrat introduced his bill Feb. 1, he said it necessary
to "extend the standards of decency which have protected telephone users to
new telecommunications devices." (A companion bill has been introduced in the
House by Rep. Timothy Johnson, D-S.D.)
Associated Press writer Elizabeth Weise reports some computer users and
free speech activists are gearing up for a fight against what they fear are
the first in a "flood of U.S. laws designed to control access to the free-
wheeling global computer network," Internet.
Says Weise, "while Exon wants to keep the Internet from becoming a red
light district, many computer users see his proposal as a misguided attempt
to control the global network of computer connections. ... As word of the
proposal spreads, just about every watchdog group on the Internet has come
together, circulating electronic petitions and urging computer users to lobby
Congress against the bill."
Among the opponents are computer industry groups, the Electronic Frontier
Foundation, the ACLU and People for the American Way.
Says AP, "Many computer users acknowledge that some regulation of
cyberspace is necessary. And while some say the original creators of material
should be held liable for its content, most argue that responsibility lies
with anyone who takes the effort to obtain it from the Internet. After all,
they argue, the Internet is different from television or the telephone."
Shabbir J. Safdar of the Voters Telecommunications Watch in New York told
the wire service, "It's not as if I'm sitting at home eating dinner and the
salesman calls me. I have to go looking for whatever I want to find. If it
offends me, I should stop going looking for it."
Exon's bill would hold responsible anyone who "transmits or otherwise makes
available" the offensive words or images. Opponents argue that would make
universities, companies and other Internet access providers responsible for
screening everything from public postings to private email.
Safdar said the proposed law "seems to make everyone in between liable as
well, not just the end points. Everybody there is sueable."
And Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center,
said requiring U.S. providers of access to the Internet to police everything
that flows through their wires would violate the very freedom that has made
this global exchange of information so powerful.
But Exon spokesman Russ Rader told Weise that's not the intention, and that
the senator is willing to refine the language of the bill (although that has
not yet been done).
Still, the broader problem, say the opponents, is that lawmakers don't
really understand what the Internet is and how it works.
Weise comments, "No one has quite figured out yet where the Internet fits.
The service providers who give access to it at times look like all three --
sometimes a phone company, sometimes a radio network, sometimes a magazine
publisher. Rotenberg also points out that the Internet is a global network.
If U.S. computer networks are required to cut off contact with overseas
systems which don't meet our standards for informational purity, America will
be left out of the global information exchange."
--Charles Bowen
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nephi
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response 57 of 87:
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Mar 8 04:36 UTC 1995 |
What publication did this appear in, ajax?
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ajax
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response 58 of 87:
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Mar 8 04:49 UTC 1995 |
CompuServe's On-Line Today...OLT has around 8 computer-related stories
a day, basically rehashed from the AP and other wire services.
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tsty
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response 59 of 87:
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Mar 9 10:13 UTC 1995 |
made the AA Snooze today
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scg
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response 60 of 87:
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Mar 9 20:27 UTC 1995 |
I signed.
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tsty
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response 61 of 87:
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Mar 10 06:21 UTC 1995 |
At the _Policing the Internet_ panel discussion tonight, this s314
bill was among the topics. Roundly castigated from all sides.
I got an electronic feed so my tape recording is the best that
could be made. I fed from my machine to Don Gonyea's machine, he being
on NPR assignment. No other electronic media was present! I was
representing Radio RFPI (see: graymatt@cyberspace.org).
Got a question "answered" by the Rez and chatted with MacKinnon
after the show. I do have an increased degree of respect for
the carefully sliced balance she is trying to make the norm, as
described by her to the audience, and afterwards to several people.
The translations made by some others just don't have the intellectual
prowes of her in person, speaking her own thoughts in her own way.
I'm still undecided though, as to the eventual result of her work
in contrast and conflict with the ACLU, the DOJ (dept of Justice)
represented by the Director of Computer Crimes, Scott Charney,
or the postion of the UM (Rezmireski's job).
s314 ain't it though.
Thank you all for your signatures.
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draco
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response 62 of 87:
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Mar 10 09:57 UTC 1995 |
i'm sending mine in righ after this.
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popcorn
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response 63 of 87:
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Mar 10 14:14 UTC 1995 |
They mentioned the Exon bill at last night's netweek@Borders presentation,
too. Nobody there was in favor of it either. One of the speakers read a
quote that said legislation is like beta versions of software. (I liked
that.) Someone else said the Exon bill is more like an alpha version.
My friend at Stanford forwarded me a message from her system administrator.
Here it is. It lists some sources of information on *each* side of the
issue:
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Help for S314:
Several of you have received mail regarding the Senate Bill 314,
"Communications Decency Act", and the petition against it and have
asked me for information and my opinion.
You might wish to check out the following sources of info:
http://www.phantom.com/~slowdog/
This URL (uniform resource locator) is by a proponent of the petition
so does have some bias that way.
http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/
This URL is by another opponent of the measure but one which feels that
individual letters/phone calls are more effective than petitions.
The newsgroups
comp.org.eff.talk
comp.org.cpsr.talk
alt.privacy
have discussion and have some pro S.314 information (I couldn't find
a pro S.314 web site).
To read a URL type
lynx http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/
or else use mosaic/netscape and the 'open' command
Emma
ps. Read and make up your own mind.
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tsty
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response 64 of 87:
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Mar 10 21:00 UTC 1995 |
As constituted, no friend of s314 could +ever+ be a friend of mine. Even
if there are two sides (at least) to an argument, all sides of s314
are abominable, totalitarian, dictatorial, offensive per se, disgusting,
and every other negative I can dream of. Stalin/Lenin/&clones could
do no worse than s314.
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orinoco
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response 65 of 87:
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Mar 10 21:04 UTC 1995 |
They could do plenty worse, but....
<orinoco screams "off with his head!" before restraining himself>
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rywfol
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response 66 of 87:
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Mar 11 08:51 UTC 1995 |
I signed.
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wh
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response 67 of 87:
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Mar 13 15:41 UTC 1995 |
Signed.
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humdog
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response 68 of 87:
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Mar 13 22:47 UTC 1995 |
but children they are going to keep trying until they get it passed
and furthermore you KNOW it...
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sbj
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response 69 of 87:
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Mar 13 23:54 UTC 1995 |
but father should that have anything to do with the protest?
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other
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response 70 of 87:
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Mar 14 00:25 UTC 1995 |
so, humdog, if you're getting raped, you think you shouldn't fight it just
because you lack the physical power to stop it, eh? just relax and accept
the inevitable? a damn stupid argument to make, especially in a
condescending tone!
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ajax
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response 71 of 87:
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Mar 14 06:20 UTC 1995 |
The internet community really does have a small bit of political power
regarding legislation like this. It might have passed a few years ago,
but today there aren't as many fervant supporters of these restrictions
as there are opponents. S314 seems to be headed the way of the clipper
chip, largely because of the same well-networked grass roots movement.
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ldiot
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response 72 of 87:
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Mar 14 22:55 UTC 1995 |
I sighed it a couple days ago before the meeting at UofM law school
That would be great if this bill just disappears like clipper chip did.
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other
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response 73 of 87:
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Mar 15 15:11 UTC 1995 |
conversely, it would be great if this bill passed and was signed into law.
it is so ridiculously unenforceable that one would hope we'd see a massive
refusal on the part of the internet community to pay any attention to the
law and the guv't powerless to do a damn thing about it!!!
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ajax
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response 74 of 87:
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Mar 15 16:16 UTC 1995 |
It certainly couldn't be thoroughly enforced, but a major risk of
unenforcable laws is that they can be selectively enforced to further
various agendas of the enforcers. For example, it could be enforced
just against certain political or religious groups.
In a recent interview with AA's new police chief, who moved here
from Indiana, he said one of the things he wants to learn is what charges
local prosecutors don't generally pursue, so the police can focus their
efforts on crimes that do result in prosecution. IMHO, if a law isn't
enforced, the legislature should seriously consider its repeal.
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