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brighn
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response 50 of 63:
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Jan 17 19:57 UTC 2002 |
I had a friend who hated to be called Kathy because of the way Michiganders
said it (like the nasal a in banter, or so she claimed).
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keesan
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response 51 of 63:
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Jan 17 21:22 UTC 2002 |
I used to pronounce bury to rhyme with hurry (same vowel as hut) but was told
to use -e- instead of -u. I suppose Michiganers pronounce hurry with some
other vowel - which one? Hurry up - both vowels are the same for me.
Hurry her up - first two vowels differ.
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brighn
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response 52 of 63:
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Jan 17 21:40 UTC 2002 |
I think the first voewl in "hurry" is the central vowel I mentioned earlier,
as in "put," for me. It doesn't have the same vowel as "hut."
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keesan
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response 53 of 63:
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Jan 18 00:50 UTC 2002 |
For me put is not the 'central vowel' (schwa, the first vowel in about), it
is the same vowel as in book or foot. Before an r I distinguish the
following vowels: schwa (fur, her), i (fear has the same vowel as feet),
short i (mirror has the same vowel as mitton), long e (the 'ai' sound of fair
or fairy), short e (ferry with e as in fester), a as in Harry (same sound as
hat), a as in far (same sound as in father), short o as in forest (same sound
as in fog or fossil), long o as in force (which is NOT a sound I use
elsewhere, it is a lips-rounded version of the o in fog), short u as in hurry
(hut) and I don't think I have a long u before r (I pronounce poor with the
same vowel as in force). I don't think I pronounce any diphthongs before r
- the diphthong becomes two separate vowels in fire (fa-yr).
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brighn
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response 54 of 63:
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Jan 18 03:20 UTC 2002 |
shwa and the central vowel are not the same. Shwa is not a phonemic vowel in
English.
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gelinas
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response 55 of 63:
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Jan 18 06:08 UTC 2002 |
(I _can_ demonstrate the different vowels in "marry merry Mary", but I don't
think I do in unmonitored speech.)
My father pronounced "bury" as /burry/, so I sometimes do. Othertimes, it's
/berry/. He grew up on the Massachusetts/Rhode Island line, my mother grew
up in Georgia, and I grew up in Illinois, Georgia and Michigan among a mobile
population. There are some interesting influences on my pronounciations.
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davel
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response 56 of 63:
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Jan 18 15:29 UTC 2002 |
I can't help wondering how one would say "dairy" so that it *didn't* rhyme
with "very" (or vice versa).
And my sister's name is Kathy, & I don't think I've ever heard it said with
"a" different from that in "banter" - but maybe I'm just not listening closely
enough. (I'm from Illinois originally, live in Michigan, don't hear a
difference in these things (or much else) between those. My folks came from
Texas, and down there they don't say "Kathy" the same, but I suspect they'd
give "banter" the same treatment.)
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keesan
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response 57 of 63:
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Jan 18 17:28 UTC 2002 |
Dairy has the same vowel as date, and very has the same vowel as pet.
The syllable breaks are dai-ry and ve-ry. Maybe in Michigan the r is part
of the preceding syllable?
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rcurl
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response 58 of 63:
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Jan 18 19:41 UTC 2002 |
I don't say "dai-ry" - in fact, I find that difficult to do. My dairy
is closest to derry (like berry).
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keesan
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response 59 of 63:
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Jan 18 20:47 UTC 2002 |
A friend from Cleveland pronounces o-range as ornge instead of o as in odd
or pot.
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davel
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response 60 of 63:
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Jan 19 02:17 UTC 2002 |
Whereas I say or-ange, much closer to ornge than to o-range.
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keesan
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response 61 of 63:
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Jan 19 15:17 UTC 2002 |
But with two syllables?
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gelinas
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response 62 of 63:
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Jan 20 00:07 UTC 2002 |
At least.
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davel
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response 63 of 63:
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Jan 20 01:03 UTC 2002 |
I think I say it with two syllables, but probably it slides into just one a
lot of the time.
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